MAYFLOWER DESCENDANTS & ASCENDANTS
DE PAYENS & AUTISM RESEARCH
DEBORAH.L.WEST@ASU.EDU BA Sp. Ed : M. ED. ECD Curriculum & Instruction
AzEIP Early Intervention Specialist
Debbie Deborah ( Payne is my biological father's last name leading to Hugh de Payen) Fehrenbach - West
This research involves using the Hugh de Payen template which is a "One For all Tree" ---
The use of "Ancestry.com billions of records to reduce/add/merge. The ability to take a surname such as "Capt"
and Mayflower "surnames" and placing in the search box to see titles/high relationship people
of the past/high dna. The high dna is used for a possible clue to labeling autism--the list below.
Almost everyone is in this Payne tree from the 13th century to the end of the 17th century +.
Finding high DNA title of ancestors is a click on this 150k family tree of mine which is same/both family tree
and dna tree as I am given many daily to separate ( mom
vs dad) on daily basis. My research--Asking can families of children (having and not having Autism) take
a dna test and the cm's are higher to the parent with high dna to the past (this is my "below list of high dna") (for those children/adults that have autism). This " One
for All" Payne
tree with Ancestry.com allows for each parent tree to reach to the
1600's and see if we can label Autism by way of hooking up to my template and see that the high dna list is associated
with those that have autism. Can we use this template to cluster other conditions/diseases and see a correlation of
common past ancestors related to specific conditions/diseases by way of Payne/Baseline genetic data records ?
Basically this is a way of looking at DNA Math with regards to high DNA/which is high relationships or titles shown
by way of
merging everyone together into One tree. Its has been ongoing since 2013 when
finding my dna connections/perfecting a "one for all tree"--baseline "The Paynes-straight line to the very past".
"Does high dna = high dna of many others over 400+years
play a role in a person having autism". For some people with autism--Does little diversity play a big role in labeling. This
research is not based on looking at what X does to a person to lead to abnormalities or find abnormalities. It
is the who, what, where , when, why but more importantly "How'. It uses a strong foundation and hooks
anyone with a 1700's/1800's ancestor to the template. I believe it should be explored, when all other
autism research continue to show no sign of real progress.
Notice: 4 to 1 ratio boys/girls. I am true direct
male line to the earliest recorded time. Payne to the 9th
century--all grandfathers "Payne". I'm putting myself out here as this is my personal tree. It shows how I relate to the
Mayflower... and the Paynes are closely related
(in other words my GGF's on my dad's side married into the abt 900 of 1200)
to the over 900 of 1200 "Capt" in my/the most enormous tree-- Ancestry.com
I have thousands coming in by way of "common ancestors" with Payne's...
For those of you who I will reach out to (those on my father's side with possible high
dna of the past(you are color coated in my mothers or fathers dna family within my
tree at Ancestry.com) please
look at the names of old 1620's ancestors. I may need to
get certified and get a free website up and running to find your 1620's ancestors
(my template can be transferred over to all my Payne color coated dna
ancestry members. My handle on Ancestry is momdeborah52. Send me a note if .... The surnames
that are high in dna of the Paynes very early past are:
Sinclair, St clair, Saint Clair, Avis, Thas, Tyas, Poultney, Pultney, Jenalton, Yevalton Hehelton, Shephard, Shepard, Middleton, Webb, Webbe, Richmond,
Chichester, Couchman, Woolstone, Adams, Mather or Croften, Sheafe, Shafer, or Collier, Pares, Benison, Bannison, Chickering, Bass, Belcher, Valett Vallett, Vallette,
Thornton, Winsor, Angell, Hostetler, Luce, Karlsson Karlsson, Carlson, Carlsen, Cline, Rudonik, Wackerle, Wigner, Wagner, Wagoner this is from
the Payne Family Tree.
The second group that would be high dna to look for is within the Mayflower passengers.... see list below that show up in my tree as having a
high titles such as 8th GGF... they are:
They are: James Winslow Chilton 1556 from Paynes 8th GGF, Richard Clarke 1608 from Rogers/Clarks 9th GGF, John
Thomas Clark 1570 from Rogers/Clark 11th GGF, Thomas Williams 1607 from Rogers/Clarks 9th GGU, Myles Standish 1584 from ALincoln
FO 8th GGA, Stephen Hopkins 1581 from ALincoln 10th GGF, John Arthur Howland Holland 1592 from ALincoln 10th GGF,
Mary Chilton Avery Noyce Winslow 1607 from Paynes 7th GGA. John Winslow 1597 from
Paynes H of 7th GGA. Sarah Sara Priscilla Mullins Alden 1602 from ALincoln 9th GGM. William Mullins 1572 from ALincoln 10th GGF.
John Alden 1598 from ALincoln 9th GGF. George Soule Sowle Sherman Shearman 1590from ALincoln H of W 11th GGF.
Elizabeth Fisher Hopkins 1595 from ALincoln 10th GGM. Ruth Hopkins 1630 from ALincoln 9th GGA. George Joris Mortin
Morthen Martyn Martin 1571 from Paynes FIL 8th GGM. Thomas Fitz Matthew bd/dd as John Edward Rogers Tilley Tylly Hyllier Howland
Prob not T Rogers 1567 - Jun 1593 ? bd June 11 1589 - rather than 1571? 1571 - 1621 or 1638 from ALincoln 11th GGF.
Ann Agnes Agn Carden Cooper Cowper Granger Wall Ashley Ayshly Tilley
Tillie Hyllier 1585 from ALincoln 9th GGA. Richard Clarke Clerke 1587 from Rogers/Clark 10th GGF.
Edward Winslow 1560 from Paynes FIL 7th GGA. Samuel Edward Fuller 1608 from ALincoln 9th GGF.
Edward Robert Fuller 1575 from ALincoln 9th GGF. Anne Ann Anna Jean Paine Payne Hopkins Fuller
Ansell Aunsell Hyll Hill 1577 from ALincoln 9th GGM. Jane Lothrop Lathrope Lathrop Fuller 1614 from ALincoln 9th GGM.
William Warren 1578 from ALincoln 9th GGF. Sarah Warren 1614 from Payne 9th GGM.
John Souls Cook Cooke Coucke 1607 from Payne 9th GGF. William White 1591 from ALincoln H of 9th GGA.
Isaac Ysaack Allerton 1586 from ALincoln H of 8th GGA. Christopher Jones Jone Capt Mstr 1570 from ALincoln FIL 7th GGA.
Thomas Doty Doten 1677 from ALincoln SGS 8th GGA. John Abraham Weaver 1630 from Payne H of 11th GGA.
Ann Newman Hopkins 1575 from ALincoln 9th GGA. Jone Joan Elizabeth Tilley Tante Comper Comyings Carver Hurst Rogers
1568 from ALincoln 11th GGM. Thomas Fitz Rogers 1576 from ALincoln 10th GGU. Mary Jane Fowles Fowlk Foukes Fowlke ________
from ALincoln 10th GGM. John Joseph Clark Clarke 1560 from ALincoln 9th GGF. William Willm Willimi Workman Workeman 1568
from Payne 13th GGF.
This is only 50% of what I need to place here (ancestors with "Mayflower" within the title name that were my fam. tree) these are the
high dna/title relations within my Payne family tree. Now I can go in the search box for my DNA tree and put Winslow/Chilton,
Avery/Noyce, Morton/Morthen/Martyn, Warren, Souls/Cook/Cooke/Coucke, Weaver, Workman Workeman
Updating MF list above-wip
Basically labeling Autism by way of high DNA of the past. It would be so much easier to just verifying with the pool of families
that are already known to have these names in their family tree and have members with Autism--most people do not have a
developed tree.
I still have the other 1/2 for above (MF) and 1300 Captains to see high dna/title and place below --just working with Payne's +
the (high dna of the past ancestors/my ancestors to the Payne's) surnames.
At some point I would like to see that all my dna Payne family could add this unique template and with a click of a button
see their unique
high dna ancestors, possibly make their unique extensions. The type of work I am doing
on this tree is not usually done. At some point because I see moms side (Clarks/Rogers) also crossing over to dads side (Payne's) in the past I would
later like to develop this as it is another way of finding for high DNA of the past. This can be seen also with other
Baseline TDML's
(some one who gives birth and has grandfather lines of the same surname
which I call a true direct male line). Males transfters more genetic data. Families with autism can as
they develop their extensions from the template to see their high DNA list of MF, Cpts, and others. It will be different titles/relationship values
and they would need to develop their surnames of their mom/dads side. As you work along it may be important to take
note of the crossovers (Ancestors of Dads surname marrying into your Mothers past names of the past). I would develop
Baseline TDML's of the Paynes can be a big start for finding high dna but many people have some popular names
(probably in the list of my high dna list of MF, Capts, Others) within
each parent.
For a family to use my template from a 1700's person they can find
alot of high dna ancestors. problem is finding them. Plan is to reach out to websites/people that
are interested. This kind of understanding seems as though it almost takes a class to work
with this and understand the outcomes. It is working with millions of records but the template would cut back on that.
Clues: Aside from the high dna TDML's showing these high dna ancestors and placing TDML (although I may not have a
person living today that actually has a several of the same surname with (those listed in MF, Capts, Others).
As far as my study goes-- make use of women who say
they are TDML or have a straight line surname of the past/close to straight line surname of the past. Why? As you see in the
"Captains" below there is less crossovers of mom/dads to the
past when you have a TDML family tree. When I find someone with.... I detail it in my tree and send info off to them, it
helps to expand the possibilites of information for todays families
with Autism. With all the information about high genetic transfers over time and same surnames--important to note.
"Molecular Autism" journal quotes that children born to mothers with autism
have a 5% chance of having a child with autism
(father does not have autism), while fathers with autism have only a 1% chance of having a child with autism(mother does not have autism).
Currently I am making use of my One For All Tree and placing "TDML" for all males in my tree for
those women that come across as a TDML, my "TDML" is labeled "Baseline TDML" for all my GGF's Paynes.
This would be an example: The Eatons , Eytons. There are about 270.
Clues: If Autism is 5% of the population which includes other races and this theory turns out to show truths, then it really is more
of the population of caucasians. Why? Because it is based on records of the Caucasians not the whole population of what the US is--
in the manner of races. I do see that in the offices/therapy/other clinical setting it affects whites more for what the pop is now.
Some say it is over-representation but with this type of process/theory to truth maybe not.
Notes from some help or giving help--Recently joined Calling all MF Descendants--I gave them information that the Bradford were the
Radfords and six other names that sound like Radford. I was able to find 2 TDML's women that gave me insight into their
genealogy. So START EATON TDML and EATON TDML all the way down to the 1900's (keep private) The other TDML listed next to
the ALLERTONs will be in my tree also. I am a BASELINE TDML of Paynes to Hugh De Payen. I was asked how I found out
about the Radfords and "It is the Tree" that provides a way to put everyone into it. I will place HDNA next to the .......
that have high titles to the past within my tree. This will be within the name so I can research for High DNA and
possible get more templates for a better view from the other TDML's in the world.
New and for Later: Try creating a new tree with Ancestry using each attachment name that goes with my HDNA MF assoc with Paynes.
Such as James Winslow Chilton 1556, the attached "Winslow in my Payne tree (for a hook up with Paynes/in relationship lists) is __________________
and I will try to find someone alive that has that person in their tree. By doing this extra work I can find HDNA (MF, Capt, others)
for this particular name of the past (there are 13 more above under MF High DNA of the Paynes_ I would need to use my template to attach to
the new tree I would create. Not only finding new HDNA but also this new template can be repeated for what they find. I will
continue to ask for women/men born today that have a straight line surname to the past (TDML-true direct male line) but this will
allow me to get what I am looking for and extend to find more High DNA of the past. Anyone can come to the website
to possibly find their HDNA of MF, Capts, Others including if a therapists/Dr wants to look into this for a possible cause/ effect
of Autism......
I will place attachment names to the 13 above (MF and Paynes High DNA).This is for later creating brand new trees for each attachment name
this process can go on and on for each new tree as it is its own template because I have copies my template of the Paynes due to
the attachment name and my relationship (Paynes). This can be done to Clarks/Rogers but I would want a professional to
find my correct placement of the Lincolns (if they can find it), the pathways are correct from his DD to the past so it could be done. Finding people
that correlate to the "attachement names to the present may be easier than trying to find someone who has a straight line surname
to the late 1500's early 1600's.
GENETIC DATA PROCESSING FOR FINDING MORE HIGH DNA OF THE PAST
Genetic records and using processing of templates to find more High DNA of the past involves using "Attachment Members". Attachment
members are the hookups of the Template TDML main name. This is difficult to explain but I have 14 above that show High DNA
from the Paynes to the Mayflower passengers, there are also 4 MF passengers showing High DNA for Rogers/Clarks and 33 MF
passengers showing High DNA for Abraham Lincoln (mom's side but this is unclear for DNA). Within each relationship of these 51
High DNA passengers for the Payne One for ALL tree the Attachment members are:
[ Payne Name-One of my GGF's] [Thhis is where attachment names will go] [Mayflower Name or Capt Name of High DNA of the Past List]
Its important to note------------
That within the 1200 "Captains" within the Hugh De Payen Tree-One For ALL Tree the Attachment Names from my Payne
GGF to the Captains of the past are enormous--The Paynes blood is their blood in some very high dna matter going foward
in time and backwards as far as records show. Since we have records we can prove or disprove this kind of DNA labeling
of Autism using Families with Autism and the list of surnames I have on this website. It is my hope that someone can
recognize this research to be valid and help as I will have a difficult time in checking my DNA Family with the results I have
gathered. Its difficult to see that 24 years ago in College the rate was 1 in 80 now it is 1 in 36. It is important to note
that if a family has one child with autism there is a much more calculated higher rate than 1 in 36--Autism
runs in families with Autism. The 2000% increase for Israel and the increase inQuatar have this same
issue of the past marrying into high DNA--not sure if they could prove this but it is a clue. Another clue: "Like" Educated
people of the past are likely to survive the brutal wars.... because of their money, status/title, education/ability to prosper,
influence, and most of all their community of politics/religion/race. There is a group that can be identified for High DNA of the past.
This research becomes more about the overall information of our past ancestors and how they relate to the Paynes to show
high dna but also in using this processes to find an even better template--Its difficult for one person to find answers without
more genetic data records professionals/Drs... with Families with Autism for questions..../ Support.
Below shows that the Paynes have high DNA to the Captains -- please see below
I am a carrier of very high dna of the past and have created a template of an "All In One Tree"
with Ancestry.com. This research involves a website that lists the high dna Ancestors with the Paynes.. It takes
most every record in the Ancestry.com library online and condenses/merges (adding wives/husband...) and correctsalmost anyone from the 1700's to 1500's and more.
My Dad: Reno Rawlton Payne 1904-1980; Grandfather Lorenzo Carlson Payne 1879-1961; Nelson F Payne Great
Grandfather1848-1941; Harrison W Payne 2nd GG 1799-1866; Stephen Paine Pain 3rd GG 1776-1849; Nathaniel Paine 4th
GG 1741-1818; Stephen Paine 5th GG 1716-1797; Stephen George Paine 6th GG 1686-1745; John Chickering Paine 7th GG
1658-1718; Stephen Paine Payne 8th GG 1629-1677 all the way to Hugh De Payen
Proof of "If I have high dna of the past and so there are others living today that are high dna carriers of the past"
The Captains--There are about 1220 Captains in this 152k "One For All" Payne Tree with Ancestry.com- unique title to each A.
The Payne's Ties is my continued list of high dna surnames to be used for a connection--finding Autism by way
of genetic data records. The use of a one for all record/tree of the past ancestors, calling this a Payne template.
This template can be copied to another person that has one surname going to the late 1500's and create their
unique template much like mine but adding more information for this list of high dna Ancestors List (MF, Capts, ..)
The Captains
Please note the High DNA Ancestors List of MF and the below Capts as this is the list to a theory that high dna Ancestors (this list) does exist and can be shown
to verify if the 1 in 36 and ever growing autism rates correlates to the families with autism--Autism is genetic (runs in families) and there is a reason.
The Captains list can show your specific "Captain" in the list of 1,700 Captains most of these Captains are tied to myself and the Payne's --please check
my handle name of momdeborah52 with Ancestry.com in your dna family. Text me about this. Why? Because most pathways are short
for the over 1000 { Captains with Payne's } family old ancestors--which has a high chance of repeat over the 400 years. Over time. Example: One of my GGF and then
just a few others.
Myself, S Paine 8th GGF 1629-1677 Sarah Paine Billings 1650-1742 John Billings Capt 1683-1748 1c 8xR
Myself, S G Paine 6th GGF 1686-1745 Jeremiah John Vallet Paine Capt 1709-1793 5th GGU
Myself, 3rd GGF S Paine 1776-1849 Sally Angell Paine Jesse Angell Capt 1744-1780 4th GGF
Myself, 3rd GGF S Paine 1776-1899 Lillis Winsor Paine 1744-1816 Joseph Winsor 1713-1802 Abraham Winsor Capt 1740-1813 4th GGU
Myself, 3rd GGF S Paine Lillis, Jos Winsor, Abraham Harding Pres 1655-1694 Stephen Harding Capt 1681-1750 6th GGU
Myself, S Paine 3rd GGF, Lillis, Jos Winsor 1713-1802, Sam Winsor 1677, Mary Winsor Babcock Potter 1707, Jeremiah Potter Capt1737-1813
Myself, S Paine 3rd GGF, Lillis, Jos Winsor 1713, Mary Winsor Comstock 1755, Jesse Comstock Capt 1777-1821
Myself, S Paine 3rd GGF , MW Comstock 1755, William Comstock Capt 1787-1873
Myself, Stephen George Paine de Payen 6th GGF, Dorcus Payne Keech 1729, Stephen Keech Capt 1721-1794 H 5th GGA
Myself, S Paine 1776. Lilles 1744, Jos Winsor 1713, Amey Colwell Field Winsor 1737, Steph Colwell 1759, Uriah Colwell Capt 1786-1864
Myself, St de Payen 1776-1849, Lillis, Jos Winsor 1713, Mercy Harding Winsor 1683, Abr Harding 1665, St Harding 1623 Rich Harden 1587, John Capt 1591-1682 8th GGU
Myself, St de Payen 5th GGF 1716-1797 Priscilla Pain 1705-1772, St Paine Capt 1725-1752 5th GGU
Myself, Dew Dew Dew Rogers Rodgers Clark Clark Clark Amos Potter Capt H of 8th GGA 1758-1834 H 5th GGA
Myself, Stephen Steven Paine 9th GGF 1600-1679, Reb Pine Kendall Kingman Bartlet Harlow 1617-1703, Th Kendall Capt 1618-1681 H 8th GGA
Myself, St Pain 3rd GGF 1776, Lillis, Jos Winsor 1713, San Winsor 1677, Sam Winsor 1644, Rich Waterman Williams 1660, Nathan Waterman Capt 1703
Myself, Nelson Payne 1848 GGF, Luce/Payne, Luce/Hartwell, Luce/Davis, Davis, Potter/Davis, Potter, Potter, Frost, Frost Bracket Blower Tilley,
Blower, Belcher Blower Gilbert Remington, Jonathan Remington Capt 1639-1700
Myself, same as above, Frost Brackett Blower Tilley, Richard Roland Bracket Capt 1610-1690
Myself, Steph George Paine 1696, Dorcas Paine Keech, Urana Keech Tourtelot , Jonathan Aborn Capt 1772-1820
Myself, Nelson Payne 1848, Luce Payne, Luce, Luce, Luce, Luce Daggett, Albert Daggett Capt 1801-1868
Myself, Nelson Payne 1848, Luce Payne , Luce, Luce, Luce, Luce Martin, Luce, Luce Martin, Luce, John Luce Capt 1708-1786
Myself, Steph De Payen 1776, Winsor Payne, Winsor Winsor, Winsor Babcock Potter, Sam Potter 1731, Jesse Potter Capt 1758-1815
Myself, Steph De Payen 1776, Winsor, Winsor, Harding Winsor, Harding, Harding, Harding Estance, Eliz Owen Copeland Payne, Benj Payne Capt 1727-1782
Myself, Steph De Payen, Paine Sanders Franklin Inman, Sanders, Saunders, Peleg Saunders Capt 1737-1822 BIL 4th GGA
Myself, Stephen de Payen 1716, Paine, Paine Allen Potter, Simeon Potter Capt 1720-1806 H 5th GGA
Myself, Stephen de Payen, Paine Mowry Arnold, Bailey Allen Holyoke Payn, Thomas Paine Sr Capt 1758-1828
Myself, Stephen George Paine 6th GGF, Belcher Paine, Rainsford Belcher, Rainsford, Rainsford, Rainsford, Rainsford Avery, Thomas Avery Capt 1720-1750
Myself, Nicholas Robert De Payen 1535, Payne Niles, Niles/Neal, Niles/Neal, Nathaniel Niles Capt 1642-1727
Myself, Stephen de Payen 1776, Paine Mowry Arnold, Paine Chase Mowry, Chase, George Bedford Chase Capt 1719-1784
Myself, Stephen Paine 1776, Winsor Paine, Winsor, Winsor, Winsor, Emor Olney Capt 1741-1830
Myself, Nelson Payne 1848, Luce Payne, Luce Hartwell, Davis Hartwell, Davis, Potter, Potter, Potter Barrett, Benj Barrett Capt 1681-1728
Myself, Nathaniel Paine 1661-1723 same 1667-1716, Paine Fales, Timothy Fales Capt 1690-1777
Myself, Stephen Paine 1629, Paine, Paine, Samuel Clarke Paine Payn Capt 1727-1759
Myself, Paine long many names Roger Billings Capt 1657-1718
Myself, Stephen de Payen, 1716, Pain, Reynolds Royall, Nathan Reynolds Capt 1627-1708 8th GGF
Myself, Nicholas de Payen 1535, Payne Niles, Niles, Niles, Niles, Sands Niles, Sands, Edward Sands Capt 1672-1708
Myself, Stephen Payne 1776, Angell Paine, Angell, Angell, Angell, Angell, Angell Smith, Smith Brown, Jeremiah Brown Capt 1746-1817
Myself, Steph Paine 1629 Paine, Paine, Paine, Paine, Amasa Paine Capt 1804-1863
Myself, Steph Paine 1629 8th GGF, Paine Billings, Billings Wilks Badlam Billings, Steph Badlam Billings Capt 1696-1775
Myself, John Paine 1658 7th GGF, Hannah Bass Chickering Paine, Metcalf Fiske Porter Wilbore, Sam Bass, Jonathan Bass Blodgett Capt 1733-1790
Myself, Steph Paine 1629, Eliz Payne Adams Harding, Hen Adams, Henry Adams, Eliz Adams Sylvanus Adams Capt 1769-1838
Myself, Nelson Payne GGF 1848 light Paynes/many others Nicholes Bowes Capt 1673-
Myself, Nelson Payne, Luce Payne, Luce Hartwell, Davis Hartwell, Davis, Davis Fitch, Zechariah Fitch Capt 1734-1820
Myself, Nelson Payne, light Paynes/many others Samuel Henry Adams Capt 1616-1688
Myself, John ChickeringPaine 1658 7th GGF, X, X, X, X, Edmund Thompson Capt 1610-1668
Myself, Steph Paine 9th GGF 1600, Paine Kendall, Kingman ? Bartlett Harlow ? ,Kendall Pearson Peirson Goodwin, James Pearson Capt 1678-1744
Myself, Steph Paine 1600, Paine Kendall Kingman ? Bartlett Harlow? Kendall Pearson Goodwin, Kendall Pearson Capt 1688-1767
Myself, Steph Paine 1716 5th GGF, Paine, Paine Allen Potter, Potter, Hopestill Potter Capt 1689-1781
Myself, Nathaniel Paine 1741 4th GGF, Paine Parker, Parker, Parker, John Parker Capt 1694-1777
Myself, Steph Paine 1686 6th GGF, Belcher Paine Johnston, Raynsford , x, x,x,x,x,x,x,x,x,x, John Patton Capt 1692-1757
Myself, Moses Paine 10th GGF 1581, 4 Paines and dates go forward and back, Reuben Payne Capt 1754-1839
Myself, Reno Payne dad 1904, Wigner, x,x,x, Clark, x,x,x, Phelps/Phillips x,x,x, Benjamin Phillips Capt 1729-1771
Myself, Steph Paine 1686, x,x,x,x,x,x, Waterman Potter Capt 11782-1852
Myself, Steph Paine 1776 3rd GGF, x,x,x,x,x,x, Samuel Potter Capt 1794-1873
Myself, Steph Paine 1776, 5 Hammond, 6 Payne, x,x, William Cory Corey Capt 1634-1682
Myself, Lorenzo Payne GGF 1879, P,P,Griffith, Lewis, George Washington Lewis Capt 1813-1870
Myself, Stephan Payne GG 1776, Angell, Hammond, H, L, L, John Samuel Luther Luter Lewter Capt 1597-1644 8th GGF
Myself, Stephen Payne GGF 1776, X....... John Aldrich Saunders Capt 1787-1832
Myself, Stephen Payne GGF 1776, X...., Ephraim Savage Capt 1645-1731
Myself, Stephen Payne GGF 1776, Angell, AAAA, Solomon Smith Capt 1702-177can show continuation of High DNA Ancestors List ( Captains abt 900 more that are closely tied by marriage
to the Hugh De Payenfamily which leads to a list of the "High DNA Family list of our Old Ancestors
notes 3/26/24 As much as I am extremely geared to detail each Capt with each Payne in my surnames of my Payne family, I need to fast trach
the next 900 names of Capts tied to my Payne family. The End game is to say that because women with autism have a five times chance of having a child with autism
(I do not have autism, speaking of studies) rather than (vs) the male with autism having children with a women without autism. The women carries more genetic traits of autism. Her
fathers sides is important as male genetic ... gets passed down much more easily. My template of the One for all tree--the Paynes show old strong or doubling of many old ancestors
over time as is called "high dna of the past". The end game is taking all (start with females if possible)red circled (which is my dads line only) and finding what Capt of strong hish dna past and what
family of those with and without autism (children) and look at the female parents male side. If all take a DNA test the CM's would be highest in number to the father for
those that do not have autism. It is part of the belief of Dr Raun Melmed that there are different types of Autism and that in seeing numbers skyrocket in Israel and Quatar
it is because of little/no diversity. The genetic data records of America are pretty much golden because you can prove/label autism through DNA of X vs X is due to the
fact that ......
I will stop detailing for a while :( --detail later and just add my next 900 names of "myself, the Payne grandfather XX and whatever Captain (should be abt 900 more).
Then I can start the end result to verify within my own DNA/Family Tree with Ancestry.com (female/dads side) since no one seems to pick up on this.
"One for all tree" (all records from Ancestry same merged /no fluff). Not listing Lincolns, Clark/Rogers until Payne's
ties wtih "Capts" are done. Certainly
a "HighDNA List" to verifying for an out of the box theory to the "why'how" of Autism.
Verifying that some siblings do not have autism due to the higher cm's of the dna test to the parent that does not have
the past high dna--
this projects "High DNA List" of MFpassengers, Captains using the template (Payne-Baseline).
Problems/Solutions--If in the future we still do not have and answer for Autism--Suggestion-- Try to match Capts in the high dna list to many
families that have austism and look for higher cms (dna test to all fam members) to the parent tieing to the Capt(s) in the high dna list. Asking
does the sibling with autism tie to the parent with the Capt (high dna of the past) vs sibling without autism tie more to the parent not associated
with high dna of the past. Most families do not have family trees or they are not developed.
Future: Still looking to develop more TDML's within my tree, planning on finding more people with higher dna due to the straight line surname to the past
(male genetic .... is transferred/more flowing. with each birth)
More Important Lab Notes:
When there is a template (yes, there is one) or later templates (due to other TDML's copying mine
to create another set of high dna for MF, Capt, Others) joined together to form a better extensive High DNA List
such as of other people that have popular straight line surnames or
close to popular straight line surnames, it creates more of a high dna for the surname that you are looking at in Ancestry. Ex: If I see a
surname in my tree that is very uncommon and I put it in my search box I can see all dna members and can text to check that their cm is the
same cm for my ancestor and we are matching up to that ancestor due to each of our family tree but also matching DNA with
verifying cm's. BUT ---- If you are a TDML
(straight surnames to the past you really have more of the one surname (Ex; John Billings Capt see above and many to come)
(the cms are not really telling the truth about how close you are to that particular ancestor). Since I'm
on this on my own and since it will not be a popular conversation with ancestry or anyone Im sure it will
not be expressed in any other research than mine :)
I will continue to list Captains above and hope that whoever reads this will understand
the High DNA of these Captains and the Paynes so also it works in reverse (those surnames are high dna to the others).
If autism rates keep skyrocketing I would assume we would try almost anything to detail... to find....
Expressing again that just because someone has the popular surnames in my list (my high dna to ...) there could be gene diversities
that get picked up by some family members and some do not. Some siblings have autism. It is starting to look like many of my Captains
in my ancestry are much closely tied to my blood (because of the TDML line) than other members. Why? It is because
they have many crossovers of different dna of wives and husbands in between to get to say John Billings Capt.
AM are the 2 ancestors that hooked up with the Paynes to find the high DNA of the past.
PROCESSES TO FIND MORE HIGH DNA FOR OTHER TEMPLATES BY TRANSFERRING THE PAYNE TEMPLATE TO THE ATTACHMENT
MEMBER OTHER THAN PAYNE. This can be done for the :
Aside from placing TDML for each above name all the way down to the present in all males, I would like to reach out to
other people that could be a TDML of today. It helps with expanded/seeing the High DNA more clearly but it is almost
impossible to find other TDML's (I only have Paynes, Aldens, Howells, Eatons and may have Allerton). It would be great for me to later
(after I find my own high DNA for 1200+ Capts) to make completetly new trees for each of my high dna Attachment members (51 plus
all the Capts and Others). This type of processing can be repeated over and over. I would like Ancestry.com to allow from
first person to be the Attachment Member which the date could be 1732 - 1580 working backwards and typing "TDML/ALDENS or TDML/......
ongoing to find more High DNA with more of this type of processing. The new Tree with say Aldens would have the Payne tree
transfer/combine and then the MF passengers ...could be looked up--you could see various titles (from Alden template) of high dna due to
the possible high titles within that template. Repeating this would allow the many trees to show the high DNA for almost all Abraham
Lincolns line and of course more opportunities for trying to straighten out this One for All Genealogy Tree. More importantly
trying to see if the genetic problems of .... tie to this kind of Genetic Data/DNA Math.
The more Templates of AM the more HighDNA to be found and maybe "Paynes, Clarks/Rogers, ALincoln" are not the only popular
connections to AM within the Templates of ....
Notes: For 2025 Expand to more individual trees for High DNA surnames to create more their High DNA to include Attachement members.
For Now Expand High DNA Attachment members information in the Payne tree and merge amap for looking out to find
Radfords and the other ways it is spelled -- go backwards for each surname of HDNA/AM to the late 1400's.
It would be great if there was a way (Ancestry.com) to see all 8th GGF....... with a press of of button but most people do not need this.
The 3rd group would be Capts in my "all in one tree--Payne tree" please check this list out, they are:
4th group include others (Such as Robert Richard Abell 1589 - June 1663 8th GGF Paynes side) that are high dna and may then also be high dna for you (those that have taken a dna test
and are in my tree--fathers side.
I'm sure many have not taken the dna test and many do not have a full tree :(.
This is just a theory for labeling autism -- can the same old (male) genes be carried too much over 400 years within very small groups
due to little diversity, marrying into the
same religions, status, race, location. We do know male genetic info carries over
more so than female genentic info maybe the clue to 4:1 ratio-boys/girls who have autism.
Please respond to my upcoming questions 1 do you have autism in the family 2 do you have little or no diversity (outside US relatives) 3 Family tree ties to any 1620's male ancestors. This 4:1 ratio is tied to a clue of possible women that are TDML's to the past as I am focusing mostly on that situation.
Since my tree shows 12th to 17th GGF... of Mayflower passengers others I can connect the trees
10 yrs of working on this tree has shown that color coating each parent can allow for questions for members of Ancestry.
My father's side "Payne to DePayen" allows me me to ask if they are related to some of the other high DNA of the 1620's.
This group is then asked if they have Autism and less diversity (no one currently married into the family from another country.
If we find a high probability to Autism with high dna of the past we can label and work on a possibility of other countries having another situation.
This DNA Math does not really exist but if shown then other countries that are marrying into a cousin(s) ....situation (less than 400 yrs old) it would difficult to find.
The first case of a person with Autism--he was born in the 1920's. It would be interesting to develop a full family tree/DNA tree.
Since most people with autism do not have children and the rates continue to expand it is important to try to help.
For those of you that have come to my webpage please take a look at the High DNA Ancestors that are listed and respond if you have them in your tree.
Not many people have a full tree/DNA tree and that will be a problem for trying to find answers but this is ongoing.
The one thing that is outstanding in this familytree/dnatree would be the amount of GGF from the 1620's, the titles showing up after 10 yrs of ......
The titles are beyond the normal because my genes relate to so many GGF of the Mayflower period with not only passengers/Capts but many others s.
The titles in my tree end up being just GGF rather than a long drawn out title taking over the full line in the page ( example: 7th grandmother of
husband of 10th cousin 3 times removed). Because of this I want to located other TDM:L's of the surnames by way of my dna color coated...of my
side --Reno Rawlton Payne 1904-1980 leading to my 24th GGF Hugh De Payen. As of Jan 2024 I am noticing no one having their tree go to the 1620's from my each
member (dna family). It has always been long drawn out.... to get this project going and getting cert as a geneologist/ website up and running for free to my dna family
is a plan. I would like to get everyone in my dna pool on my dads side to reach as many of the old 1620's ancestors. This is to allow for a theory to possibly become fact --that
labeling autism by way of high dna of the past ancestors can be a truth. Its is difficult to get this going but eventually it will happen with or without help.
I w For those that are on my dad's side I will also ask about autism and if diverisity plays into their family tree (is autism a type of inbreeding over 400yrs ?t
Can we see it though genetic data records of all within early America looking backwards (seems like all). If we see this then another way can follow for cousins marrying cousins shorter
time span such as with other countries.
Lab Notes: If the straight line Paynes 14th GGF cm is _____ then what is the cm for other GGF's associated with the past (1620's)--my same familytree/dna.. I
If others in the US that never left and all this time has past (400yrs) then the genes inbetween are somewhat alike also. Women who are TDML's
have a higher chance of giving birth to a child with Autism and or problems with infertility (if there is little gene diversity out of the US) ? Trying...
Currently there is about a 5% chance you child will have autism. 1 in 100 girls 4 in 100 boys.
It is almost double in Quatar as most of the diversity is only in a 16% range
As describing this in a visual way since I have an abundance of information to expand, It is like an old thick
red punching ball from the 60's that is deflated (very thick red rubbery wrinkles surrounding it
and empty-no air). At the top you have mostly 1620's Paynes,....... Paynes to the 1960's and other
straight line males of the Clarks and Rogers. So the opening is not blown up
with diversity of genes. Kind of like an umbrella. This is my genetic make up--mostly carried back in time.
My straight line Payne family is a foundation for others to see the very low diversity of genes. The question is:
Can this allow for a condition of inbreeding over 400 yrs. Most of us do not leave America.
Goal: Using my One For All Family Tree (working on this/merging same names/bd/dd for almost everyone in the 15th-17th century can I see high
relationship values=low diversity in the 1000 Captains/All Mayflower Passengers/Others when using the Hugh DePayen as a Baseline/Template.
YES
I can show pathways to low genetice data / diversity for each parent that has a child with autism. How?
Project: 1) Compare high DNA (high relationship value/title in Tree) Can be done in anyone's Tree.
My DNA family tree which is the same Payne tree. This can be compared to high relationships (see capts/mfp).
2) Compare ancestry line of families that have autism to show
that the cm of the dna kit is geared to the parent with high dna
of the past--see my tree--use my tree.
3) By math deduction those sibling without autism have diversity have a higher cm to the parent that is not a part of the high dna of the past.
4) The more inflatable (the more diverse the blood) probability of autism would not exist.
Compare siblings of previous generation (A parent of a child with autism and
the parent's sibling who has children). Is there more diversity with the one that does not have autism in their family? (A grandparent ? ) It does not mean it cannot happen for the next generation.
America is over 400 years old and some of us have so much of the old genes brought down from the past. What about the others from other countries that also have this same situation but cannot mathematically use a One For All Hugh De Payen Tree ? Below shows that I have high dna to Paynes-straight line, Clarks -pretty straight- Rogers.. so many from the 1620's with very high relationship titles shown in my Ancestry.com Payne tree. It follow the same groups of families with same religion/location/race/time/status/finances and possible cousin marrying within the same set of genes. Taking the straight line of the Paynes and attaching almost everyone in the 15th-18th century that would be wealthy enough for records.
The relationship titles I see within each person in my never ending tree shows that there could be a percentage of very high dna of the past and mathematically there would have to be a part of America that would make up this group. High relationship titles=High dna to the past. Testing/Verification look at mother's genetic data line--those that have autism in their family--see or not see--it is pure math/high probability that .... is because of ....
Do we wait for 2 out of 100 girls and 8 out of 100 boys ?
This is a calculated way to see answers. It is a tree that is very very very developed.
I would like to have Autism Speaks to grant a way to verify with families/children with autism as I continue to place info and relationship values/titles of various people of the 1620's in relationship to the Paynes.
My other option is to verify with the color coded --my dna family with the family tree and people are separated by mom/dad (Color Coded_. Searching with surnames and getting feedback may be difficult especially when I need to have to ask about diversity. The CM test /dna test with any families that have autism would allow answers if they have trees going back to the 1620's.
RN: Recently merged and terming this "double ancestry" 12th GGF by way of practically all TDML's Paynes is Thomas Lincoln Clarke 1500-1551 (cannot see link downward or veining but maybe the brother .......of the LIncolns.
What is the "double ancestry"? It is the daughter of Thomas Lincoln Clarke--Alice Clarke 11th GGM 1540-1590 (mom's side) married father's side George Eade Payne 11th GGF 1535-1597 child Thomas Daniel Payne 1581-1613 double ancestry to Reno Payne 1904-1980 and my mother part of a (also) practically straight male same surname to the 1500's. Problem with software -- titles could be separated from mom and dad so they do not supersede to show only one pathway.
I would love to get the surnames of those who paid 100k to not be a soldier in the war--this is to expand my TDML's to not only MFP.., Capts..., but those that would have survived from the past with same last names carried down. Who to ask?
My Dad's (Reno Payne) male to male(True Direct Male Line TDML is the Basis or Baseline for the "One For All Tree").It is the Hugh de Payen "One For All Tree" (my 23rd GGF-straight line to Hugh De Payen) and this tied to so very many 1620's ancestors such as the Mayflower Passenger's relationship titles, Others very active that time for coming to America, Captains/Military/Political/Religious :
Most genes are transferred by way of male to male generation-(note 4 to 1 possible relevance/Autism) excellent Baseline to use/develop/process/futuristically see possible results of labeling autism by way of DNA math by genetic records only (Ancestry Account).
Since about 2015 I have been merging, adding, verifying/choosing correct parent in thei"One For All" tree. Below are names of Mayflower passengers (about 70 that fit into the Dad/Mom/Abraham Lincoln category). The "Mayflower" is on the record with Ancestry.com and now in my "One For All Tree". Using search box to see "Mayflower"/close relationship value/which family has the ties for the TDML veins to the present. Problem A. Lincoln in the wrong place -- to correct in a completely different tree. A. Lincoln mistakedly superscedes the Payne-software does not recognize two RV.
9/1/23 Aside from placing high dna RV in this "one for all tree" on my web site / adjusting so the DNA family tree is as correct as it can be in the "Robert Fehrenbach tree (mother/ father) will add correct placement of A. Lincoln) I need to keep a list of names outside of the MF people in my Payne Tree/one for all tree that are popular. My neighbor could also develop her tree as she is a Baseline TDML of "Others" -- the Howell's. I think at some point the list of "Others" (outside of MF passengers-surnames should be created. It is such as big project for finding gene info.
Genealogists may/can help with other individual/separate trees but like mine and develop expansions/naming them as each unique Baseline TDML's My research question has always been --Does a person with Autism have too much of the same dna of the past to be the cause/Is there an infertility link. For research to involve other genealogist in finding any women today now who has a true direct male line ( her last maiden can be repeated to the 1620's.. (is a TDML) may prove to help in identifying gene abnormalities and pathways to see past relatives of high probability of this abnormality. Trees can be used for research into genealogy/gene research/gene for a lack of a better word "help". By way of many online genealogy websites we can find someone who has this kind of ancestry--relationship values can be a kind of math (this vs that or the adding of this kind of research vs who has ..... can be determined/high probabilities. Because my tree with the Paynes (has Rogers/Clarks) it is rich in past DNA, my Others LIst Is: _________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ This is a name that has over 100 in my one for all tree. Note: Will do this is 2024. I can get a list of Capts (960) last names and place info on the ones that have over 100 (in my "one for all Payne Tree". They are:
________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________
Future Notes for Research TDML's of MF's expansions of women today and how they relate to the Others list. Also software that can change--one of the 4 sides of a persons genealogy can be developed individually.
Besides place the MFP MF... of over seventy five that are in my ofa tree, Captains, and Others I need to define what DNA Math or High DNA is-- In this project it is the high relationship value or title that shows up for this group of MF... Capts... Others. This is a very highly merged one for all tree. This Hugh de Payen tree is meant to correlate this group (probably by way of same religion/status/growth of the families together/location(s). The questions will always be ? If this group is shown/listed and can be compared to those with autism is there a high probability that this is a way of labeling autism by way of those that have autism have this high ddna of the past. Do other siblings without autism show less dna/cms to the other parent without the high dna of the past ? Are there other women that are TDML's that can contribute to this way of showing this kind of relationship listing/high dna of the past.? Does this kind of physiological anomoly make it more difficult for when they get shots? We know that autopsies on people with autism show a different tissue/pattern for the brain. Could it trigger as they are already compromised. Many parents have seen this decline after teh shots. We do not know about this kind of anomoly but if we can find out about if..... then .....
Can we see the dna of these past 1620's ancestors and find verification/labeling of autism? Does the cm show a higher amount to the parent with the high dna of the past by way of Ancestry.com DNA Family tree --my Hugh De Payen Tree both family tree of many millions of paths (going back to the 1620's-working on this since 2013) and also the DNA Hugh De Payen Tree both my one in all tree for almost everyone. Trying to go back with each person for over 10yrs 2013 to present. Is it more of a male to male same surname/dna of the past tied to the mother that shows autism. Quite of an out the the box theory and no one to understand as it has not been done. The tree is the template for other TDML's (women who have children with autism) to get on board. This is especially for those with the last name in the high dna list--the high titles of mine that are MFP or coming from the abt 900 Capt's and Hugh De Payen marriages/children past down. The high dna/high titles of over 1000 can be reduces in my TDML project to show very high dna list and the surnames would be important to find TDML's for the same research but also locate within my DNA family tree to ask question about Autism/CM's/various sibling and relationship of CM's numbers. Surnames can be researched in my one for all tree and Ancestry members/DNA family can be texted. Eventually I will get there. There may be an anomoly of finding why some do not have Autism as more research may be acquired for the fact of diversity in blood at times--most of the time though most people married within there own unique group(same religion/race/status/location) and we have not left America. If there are different group of autism, then 5% of America may be really less as some may be just mostly coming from the old ancestors of the 1620's and not other situations of other countries. If we can prove one way of seeing autism by way of genetic records and a families DNA then other situations can follow and help can begin.
2024 Research but has flaws
One Notebook: Paynes starting with highest cm (centimorgan) written from tree and continue to a lower cm. This is color coated --red/burgundy/maroon--Paynes to the 10th century. How: Placing "Payne/Paine/Payen/Pain" in the search field for the person with red circle in my tree and placing check if it exists (could be other reasons why they don't have Payne....). Also trying other surnames such as the MFP surnames that are very high relationships to me and Capts surnames that are very...... but there are also others
Research but has flaws
Notebook Two: Rogers / Clarke Clark starting with highest.................................... to 1500's How: Placing "Clark/Clarke/Rogers" ....... but also "Payne.... and also trying ...............
Notebook Three: For those that show up as both Yellow which is my mother's side (Clarke/Clark/Rogers) AND Paynes THEY HAVE BOTH YELLOW AND RED-- it may be a possibility that they have a higher dna of the past. I am definatley a high dna of the past due to the direct male line of the Paynes (TDML) so it would be interesting once I can make notes on the notebook using my Ancestry tree and then ask members to kindly respond if they have autism in the family and if anyone outside of the United States is a relative. Questioning--Does High DNA of the past relate to Autism ? I believe I have the most for DNA members as it does go back to the 11th century and everyday I get new ones to color coat by 2 ways.
Old Ship Captains of America and the Old World are: (For use in the TDML's with MF & Others--high dna relationship value to the Paynes/Rogers/Clarks)
* At a later time, placing a ^ in front of those with 100+ of the surname (Captains) in my Payne Tree ofa. Finding the highest relationship value for each surname--placing info... as I have been doing for the MF...
* Jonathan Aborn 1772-1820 Richard Peter Adams 1783-1841 Samuel Henry Adams 1616-1688 Sylvanus Adams 1769-1838 Caleb Aldrich 1764-1827 William W Allen 1773-1859 John Joan Andrews Andres Andros 1662-1742 Jesse Angell 1744-1780 Thomas Avery 1720-1750 James Bancroft 1739-1831 Joshua Bangs 1646-1710 Francis Barker 1646-1720 Aaron Barney 1734-1817 Benjamin Barrett 1681-1728 Jonathan ? Blodget Blogget ? Bass and Col 1733-1790 Joseph Bass 1692-1752 Nathaniel Bass 1589-1655 John Billings and Mjr 1683-1748 Roger Billings 1657-1718 Stephen Badlam Billings 1696-1775 Samuel Blodgett Jr 1658-1743 Jabez Bosworth 1673-1747 Nicholas Bowes 1673- ? Richard Roland Brackett 1610-1690 Cornelius Briggs 1741-1803 William Briggs 1718-1802 Jeremiah Brightman 1785-1848 Michael Dennis Brightman 1941-1969 Jeremiah Brown 1746-1817 Joseph Burgess IV 1776-1842 Andrew Byrd V 1754-1838 Robert Campbell 1708-1776 Eliphalet Carpenter 1703-1792 George Bedford Chase 1719-1784 Joseph Cheny 1709-1779 William Chipman 1767-1800 Samuel ? Stephen ? Choate Sr 1664-1713 William Clarke 1673-1767 Josiah Cleveland 1713-1793 Robert Spilsberry Spilsby Coleman 1780-1827 Uriah Colwell 1786-1864 Benjamin Comstock 1747-1828 Jesse Sr Comstock 1777-1821 William Comstock 1787-1873 William Cory Corey 1634-1682 John Crowninshield 1696-1761 Theophilus Curtis 1647-1712 Albert Daggett 1801-1868 Timothy Dagget 1692-1775 Peter Dickerson 1725-1780 John Everett Evered alias Webb Webbe 1560-1668 John Fairweather 1634-1712 Timothy Fales 1690-1777 William Fernald 1645-1728 Joseph ? Thomas ? Fitch 1627-1727 Zechariah Fitch 1735-1820 Comfort Freeman 1750-1806 Constant Freeman 1700-1756 James Gibson 1687-1765 Robert Gibson 1734-1788 Robert Gibson II 1754-1787 Samuel Greene 1711-1778 William Greenough 1639-1693 John Grout 1616-1697 Joseph Grubb 1763-1839 Samuel Gunnison Sr 1715-1806 Thomas Hale 1715-1796 Abijah Harding 1750-1826 John Harding Hardin 1597-1682 John Wright Harding 1717-1783 Stephen C Harding 1681-1750 Stephen Harding Sr 1722-1789 Moses Hatch 1690- ? Moses Hatch Sr 1663- ? Mason Clyde Hein 1920-1997 Thomas Higgins Sr 1704-1789 Joshua Hobart 1614-1682 Freeman Hopkins 1768-1812 Simeon Hopkins 1731-1821 Joseph Howland 1640-1704 Peter ? Smith ? Hunt 1619-1692 Samuel Strong Hunt 1703-1770 John Jennings 1630-1670 Obadiah L Johnson 1702-1765 John Jones 1730-1811 Samuel Jones 1741-1812 Thomas Jones 1702-1774 Stephen Keech 1721-1794 William Keeney 1601-1675 Joseph Keith 1722-1792 Thomas Kendall Deacon 1618-1681 Silas Knowles 1741-1833 Ephraim Lane Lt III 1739-1826 Benjamin Larrabee 1696-1748 Henry Louis Lee 1879-? George Washington Lewis 1813-1870 Abraham Flowers Lincoln Linkhorn 1744-1786 John Lindsey 1747-1814 John Lindsey 1745-1842 John Haynes Lord 1724-1796 John Luce 1708-1786 Stephen Luce 1761-1807 John Samuel Luther 1597-1644 John Minott 1653-1735 John Mitchell Michell 1643-1663 Daniel Morgan 1712-1773 Francis Morgan Jr 1636-1708 Francis Morgan 1616-1653 Thomas N Morgan 1590-1640 Thomas Nickols Nichols Deacon 1653-1736 Nathaniel Niles 1642-1727 Richard Olmstead 1612-1687 Daniel Olmsted 1682-1749 Emor Olney 1741-1830 Amasa Paine 1804-1863 Amos Paine 1737-1790 Benjamin Paine Payne Pain Esq 1727-1782 Daniel Paine 1703-1795 Samuel Clarke Clark Paine 1727-1759 Stephen Paine 1725-1762 Thomas ? Clarpon ? Paine Lt Jr 1783-1859 Thomas Paine Payn Jr 1656-1721 Thomas Paine Sr 1759-1828 Benjamin Ben Palmer 1739-1820 John Parker 1694-1777 John Lynn Patton 1692-1757 Rueben Reuben Payne 1754-1839 Kendall Person 1688-1767 Benjamin Phillips 1729-1771 Newton Poling 1831-1922 William Poole 1702-1763 Amos Potter Justice of the Peace 1758-1834 Hopestill Potter 1689-1781 Jeremiah Potter Jr 1737-1813 Jesse Potter 1758-1815 Samuel Potter 1793-1873 Simeon Potter Hon 1720-1806 Waterman Potter 1782-1852 Jonathan Prescott 1648-? William Reed Rieth Reidt 1719-1813 Jonathan Remington 1639-1700 Nathaniel Nathan Reynolds 1627-1708 French Richardson 1797-1874 James Riley Ramsey 1810-1887 Squire Riley 1806-1860 Ephraim Robinson 1760-1843 William Salter 1696-1754 Edward Sands 1672-1708 Peleg Saunders 1737-1822 John Aldrich Saunders 1787-1832 Thomas Clarke Saunders 1776-1864 Ephraim Savage 1645-1731 Benjamin Sheldon 1697-1773 Daniel Sheppard 1730-1809 David Snow 1732-1792 John Snow 1734-1777 Mark Snow 1628-1695 Samuel Snow 1779-1854 Solomon Smith 1702-1771 James Smyth Smith 1683-1760 Jacob M Spangler 1814-1862 Jonathan Sparrow Jr 1665-1739 Samuel St John 1688-1755 Myles Standish MC 1584-1656 Thomas Stanton Staunton Stawnton III 1560-1592 Benjamin Stevens ? Stephens ? 1667- ? Thomas Williamson Stiles 1832-1905 William Stone 1693-1772 Lot Strange 1699-1786 John Swift 1761-1838 George Thomas Stubblefield III 1738-1801 Edward Payson Taylor 1832-1874 Isaac Thayer 1742-1827 Ichabod Thomas 1733-1788 Robert Joseph Treat Jr 1654-1720 Johannes Trexler 1750-1829 Benjamin Turner 1704-1770 Thomas Turner 1655-1748 William Turner Jr 1683-1759 Jeremiah John Paine Vallet Vallette 1709-1793 Nathan Waterman 1703-1739 John Webb Webbe (alias is Webb) Evered Everett 1560-1666 Samuel West 1743-1835 Job ? John ? Whipple 1685-1750 John Whipple 1617-1685 John Whipple Ens 1640-1700 William Whipple Jr 1685-1776 Joseph White 1635-1706 David Whitman 1765-1834 Richard Thompson Whitney 1895-1978 Henry Henery Williams 1705-1750 Abraham ? Ebed ? Winsor 1740-1813 Thomas Woodruf 1699-?
Begin Again @@@@@@@@@ !! Problem taking too long to alpha... just placing Capt in another location above. Sorry some of this is just lab notes trying to make it work.
To be continued --above is only 20% of Captains in my OFA Tree. Will be looking for High RV and placing that information eventually. If high dna/RV for the Hugh de Payen family (MF.. , Capts.. , Others.. )than this is a group that has been past down old dna from the past -- theory-- is this a kind of inbreeding --can it be a label for autism? High Dna of the old past to present-- mom dad grandparents..... Can TDML daughter show a high probability (marrying same group of the 1620's...) Can we see that some countries that interelate with a variety of cultures (have children) have less autism?
#1 James Winslow Chilton MC 8th GGF #1 1556-1620 myself, Reno 1904, Lorenzo1879, Nelson Payne 1848, Abigail Luce Payne 1804, Betsey Luce Hartwell 1779, Abigail Davis Harwell 1741, Rebecca Chandler Davis Hartwell 1711, Samuel Chandler 1674, Isabella Chilton Chandler 1587
Chilton/Winslow is established-Still need Tilley, Soule with Cooke, Rogers, Priest, Mullins, Howland, Hopkins, Fuller, Fletcher, Eaton with Billington, Browne, Brewster, Alden, Allerton, Bradford, Doty, Moore More, Samson, Standish, Warren, White (list from Gen Soc of MP). List but adding Richard Clark Mp 1608-1673 and Thomas Williams Mp 1607-1696
Dad's....
#2 Martha Mercy Mercye Mary Billinton Eaton MF Desc Weed Sabin Martin or Hannah Martin 1656-1709 or Martha Billington Jun 25 1638-1722 or Martha 1638-1722 woh 8th GGA #2 Stephen 1776, Lillas Paine 1744, Josteph Winsor 1713, Mercy Harding Winsor 1683, Abraham Harding 1655, Bridget Estan Harding 1628, Thomas Estan 1612, Joanna Estan Martin 1645, John Martin 1634
#4 Thomas John Francis Mayflower Pilot John Clarke or Thomas Clarke 1546-1618 2nd c 12X #4 Stephen 1776, Sally Sarah Angell Paine 1775, Amey Hamond 1745, Nathan Hammond 1716, Josiah Hammond 1692, Mary Hathaway 1665, Sarah Cook 1635, John Souls Cook 1607(my 9th GGF), Francis Cooke 1584(my 10th GGF), Richard Cook 1531, Anthony Cook 1504 (my 12th GGF), Humphrey Cooke 1473 (my 13th GGF), John Carew Cook 1514 (my 13th GGF), Katherine Cook Clark North 1541
#11 Mary Chilton MF Avery Noyce Winslow 1607 7th GGA #11 Nelson Payne (my 2nd GGF) 1848, Abigail Luce Paine 1804, Betsy Luce Hartwell 1779, Abigail Davis Hartwell 1741, Rebecca Chandler Davis Hartwell 1711, Samuel Chandler 1674, Isabella Chilton Chandler 1587, James Winslow Chilton MC 8th GGF 1556
Humphrey John Cook de Carre Carewe 13th GGF 1473-1516 myself, Reno Payne 1904, Lorenzo Payne 1879, Nelson Payne 1848, Harrison Payne 1799, Sarah Sally Anne Payne 1775, Amey Hammond 1745, Nathan Hammond 1716, Josiah Hammond 1692, Mary Hathaway Hammond 1665, Sarah Cooke Hathaway 1635, John Souls Cooke 1607-1694, Francis Cooke 1584-1663, Richardh Edward Cooke 1531, Anthony Cook 1504
Soule/Cooke is established
Mother's (Phyllis Dew)
#3 Richard Clark MP 9th GGF #3 1608-1673 myself, Phyllis Dew Fehrenbach 1925, Perry Dew 1891, William Alfred Dew 1869, Percilla Adeline Rogers Dew 1844, Hannah Clark Rogers 1808, Philemon Clark 1778, John Clark 1752, John Clark 1710, Samuel Clark 1673, Richard Clark 1631
Clark/Rogers established
Mother's (Phyllis Dew)
#5 Thomas Williams MP 9th GGU #5 1607-1696 myself, Phyllis Dew 1925, Perry Dew 1891, William Dew 1869, Percilla Dew 1844, Hannah Rogers 1808, Philemon Clark 1778, John Clark 1752, Sarah Crowell Hart Clark 1718, Sarah Allen 1687, Abigail Williams Allen 1663, Samuel Williams 1632, Robert Williams 1608
Clark/Rogers/Williams established
Abraham Lincoln (Mother's Mother's side)
#6 Myles Standish Mayflower Compact 1584-1656 fo 8th GGA #6 A. Lincoln 1809, Hannah Hunt Lincoln 1773, Benjamin Lincoln 1757, Mary Eliz Webb Mudd Rose Sterrat Lincoln 1727, Mary Alden Webb 1699 or Mary Boone 1691, Isaac Alden 1664, Joseph Alden 1627, John MayflowerAlden 1598, Sarah Alden Standish 1627
#7 Stephen Mayflower Signer Hopkins 10th GGF 1581-1644 #7 A. Lincoln 1809, Mordecai Abner 1771, Abiah Ells Lincoln Savage 1737, Abiah Waterman 1714, Joseph Waterman 1676, Sarah Snow 1651, Anthony Snowe 1620, Constance Hopkins Snow 1606
#9 John Arthur Holland Howland Mayflower Compact 10th GGF 1599-1672 A. Lincoln 1809, Thomas Lincoln 1778, Bathsheba Herring L 1748, Abigail Harrison Herring 1710, Abigail Smith Harrison 1678, Sarah Brewster 1681, Mary Howland Holland Partridge Brewster 1661, John Howland Holland 1626
#10 John Mayflower Signer Tilley 10th GGU 1599-1636 #10 A. Lincoln 1809, Hannah Hunt L 1773, Mary Lincoln 1734, Eliz Barstow Barker 1699, Joseph Barstow Capt 1675, Susannah Lincoln 1646, Thomas Lincoln 1622, Joan Cooper 1580, George John Edward Cooper 1542, Ann Agnes Cooper Tilley 1585
Abraham Lincoln and the RV to MFP's (later to vein male to male listing, from MFP--its in my "one tree".
Will continue to add Abraham Lincoln (add more to dad's/mother... )and MFP's and explain processes to High DNA (male to male dna transfer concentration) (4to1 ratio autism boys) soon.
By my own example and in an idea situation this theory to fact of labeling autism by way of high dna of the past is ACTIVE. Parents (specifially a mother could develop a tree using my pathways/veins from the MFP's and vein down to a person she knows that is in correlation to above answers) This develops the tree and it could be possible to see if she has a child with autism the cm (centimorgans are higher for the mother due to the high dna records of high dna of the past from male to male -mothers records) This shows up by a dna test with mom/dad and the child/adult with autisms cm/test. Since I need to place A Lincoln in this One tree for all/Payne Family/Hugh de Payen Family tree it was placed but wrongly. Why? Because I needed to get this one for all tree accomplished--most of it. Within the Robert Fehrenbach tree I will place it appropriatley and then the Paynes will superscede many of the MFP veins down the the A Lincoln (replacing relationship values-creating a more precise tree). When developing trees like this, it helps to see the higher percentage of those that have autism and correlated to this information and then it becomes TRUE. Still trying to work through the processes and expand this one tree. Note--If a parent can see a MFP and a Lincoln or some other Capt/Mjr/Col I certainly have a line to connect. If one part is done for a parent the A Lincoln can connect later in my second tree (Robert Fehrenbach to be doing later). Its a little complicated but it can be done.
After the RV of Father, Mother and A. Lincoln (RV of MFP) are listed above -- there is 72 so far. I will be using the Robert Fehrenbach Tree to Vein up, using above info. A. Lincoln will be in the correct position and RV's will change (Paine to succeed A. Lincoln). This tree will be DNA accurate and family tree accurate (amap) and will be used to list out the high dna of the past to present high probabilities. The Paine/Payne/DePayen tree with A. Lincoln inserted was a great help to expand and see an emormouse one tree but for my specific tree I will be putting in where it belongs now that I know where it fits (dur to the "one for all Paine ... tree).
Process One: Taking each above (I will be adding more) MF names to vein down male birth father to sons from the 1620's--it branches out. To include second step of daughters and their husbands name.
Process Two: Taking each last name (MFP) such as I started with Winslow (below) from my high dna family tree) and looking up(searchbox with MFP last name)--Ancestry.com search field in my tree/placing close relationships in the 1600's/1700's/1800's.. list.
It would be nice to have someone say " yes, I can help you find the families and correlate the processes. A way to determine if Autism is tied to this kind of high dna/male to male factor-gene transfer/many crossovers of the same old dna (same GGF's..) of the past can be in each of us. How do we find this kind of DNA math with the Hugh de Payen family "one tree for all" ? It has been expanded by adding more mothers shown in records dating the birth to 2 yrs ahead of husbands likewise... This brings more information to each family/more last names for the wife. More merging and verifying/condensing into same families. Starting in 2015 the expansion with Rogers/Clarks, Paynes to the 9th century and adding A. Lincoln on my mothers dad's side created the "One Tree". I see that the A. Lincoln pathways are good for "Veins of my Ancestors" but not a correct RV. It belongs on my mothers mothers side. Will correct later-still this is relevant info for the male to male of the old time MFP / connection to A Lincoln and shows/veins (later) to high prob of this theory.
Another option: Search box using my full dna tree after I get A. Lincoln in the proper spot. Texting Ancestry.com members asking.... Finding more autism due to high dna processes/information.
If this research shows value then other Baseline TDML's should have the same kind of research patterns to contribute/allow for better answers.
Myself............ then one of my GGF's (Payne) (will detail which one later) These are the Capt's that married into the Hugh dePayen family = High DNA of the Past using One in All Tree HDP tree worked on since 2013. BELOW ALL Captains.
Wm Stone 1693, John Swift 1761, James Minott 1653, Lot Strange 1699, Wm Whipple 1685, John Chickering 1634, John Bass 1630, Joseph Bass 1692, Wm Greenough 1639, Richard Thompson Whitney 1895, Jeremiah Brightman 1785, Thomas Nichols 1653, Isaac Thayer 1742, Stephen Luce 1761, Peter Dickenson 1725, John Jennings 1630, Theophilus Curtis 1647, Thomas Bancroft 1673, Wm Poole 1702, James Bancroft 1739, Thomas Clarpon Paine 1783, Obadiah L Johnson 1702, Josiah Cleveland 1713, Daniel Paine 1703, Amos Paine 1737, Daniel Whitman 1765, Asa Bacon 1735, Edward Bangs 1591, Jonathan Sparrow 1665, Robert Spilsberry Coleman 1780, John Wright Harding 1717, Stephen Harding 1722, Nathaniel Basse 1589, John Andrews 1662, William Reed Rieth 1719, Edward Mitchell 1645, John Whipple 1617, Joseph Whipple 1660, John Thomas Whipple 1640, Job John Whipple 1685, Thomas Jones 1702, Samuel Jones 1741, John Jones 1730, Isaac Hartwell 1706, Peter Enoch Hunt 1619, Benjamin Sheldon 1697, will continue
This is only 20pgs (of 10 each per page) names (starting with above name John Billings Capt 1683) of "capt" of 122 pages in my One for all tree--hundreds more to add to show how my GGF's married into a select group of Captains. There is a unique set of high DNA. 4/17/24 Working on All Thomas A, then B last name merging to one if same eith same and detailing more this is done for some common names (Stephen.. )in the Payne family could be 2000 names merges
Still getting list of Capts and my GGF's marrying and will get close titles/dna eventually into a "Veins of my Ancestors" for high dna from a TDML perpective-mostly from MFP and Capts but I see "Others" such as Thomas Alfred Woolstone Wollaston 1489-1551 my 12th GGF Nicholas Payne my 11th GGF married daughter--Joane Joan Jone Woolstone Weher Neves Adams (not crossovers of other names/high dna "Others" and not a MFP or Capt). At some point I would like to locate TDML's that have last names that are from the high dna list. A few years ago "Ancestry.com added THRU LINES --they came up with your common ancestors and the number present within the dna family within my account it is as follows for my Grandfathers/Paynes. "Ancestry.com lists my Thru LInes for the Paines Paynes de Payen Pain-- Reno 1904-1980 6 , Lorenzo 1879-1961 6 , Nelson 1848-1941 6 , Harrison 1799-1866 35 , Stephen 1776-1849 64 , Nathaniel 1741-1818 89 , Stephen 1716-1797 17 , There are 17,500 DNA matches (DNA Family tree) as of 4/17/24 for my dad's side and 9,500 for my Mother's side DNA Family with Ancestry.com 154,000 Family Tree One For All
Genetics Records Data of over 400 years is an out of the box discovery using the Baseline (coding TDMLs...) of the Paynes/DePayens (my bio dad is Reno Payne leads to Hugh De Payen) to persistently merge/expand/find/data/process coding of TDMl's... people in the dna and/or family tree to the 1600's (merging many of the 1620's people when expand/...). The processes of the discover/discovery allows to see high dna and or family trees which can locate the high dna and/or family trees of the very old past--the 1600's. As a unique researcher, that does not fall into the category of having a degree in genetics I ask "Is past high dna/high subset of old relations (family trees) tied to a condition of inbreeding which is a neurological disorder AUTISM. Currently there are over 120k Payne connections in my tree but millions of data collected over 8 years to show results by way of data. Mayflower/others surnames (my relationship value below) will continue to be expanded now to show their TDML's..... Fast Track (below) can show which siblings are tied to the higher cm of the specific parent but using research that involves many families with 2 or more children with and without autism can reveal more templates. Templates to compare relationship values against the "One for all tree/Veins of our Ancestors" template. Each person has their own markers for ancestors that can show more high dna/autism. Also I am hoping to find others in America that have a maiden name (if female-MF passenger) that shows a straight line to the past for other templates to be compared/merged and in the future marked (ancestors that seem likely to be a part of the high dna/autism/condition of inbreeding.
Futuristically, I see 2 dissertations combined into 1 dissertation at Arizona State University for my Doctorate. The first involves "A Genetic Foundation of a subset of the white person's genetic make-up (1620's and beyond) of America", which is a good portion of America today. In using the software of Ancestry.com and the De Payen (my bio dads name is Payne leads to Hugh De Payen) family, the data is expanded since 2016 to show relationships from the Payne's to most everyone dating down from the 1620's that were on the Mayflower. This also includes so many others dating (male to male from 1620's male person) from this past time.
The second dissertation shows the close relations (each person actually has a unique text/info which is the relationship of Paynes vs each person in my tree concerning mostly of the time period of the1620's. Passengers surnames and same surname (1620's GGF's..) male to male connections--high dna of the past. My theory involves (with other countries it could be the same) allowing for coding (TDML's -male to male, DOTDML's - daughters of each male to male from 1620's GGF... and their married name) to see the family tree/dna tree for high dna suseptibilites/crossover of others with high dna of same ethnics such as white and same subset of people marrying into the same people over 400+ years. Asking the question -- Is there a high rate of families in America with a criteria-- white and have high dna of this type and also have autism in their family? Using Ancestry.com data from my plethora of a family tree it can be proven. Is it less present when someone with ethnic or racial differences marries into this kind of genetic pool ? If this website can show TDML's, DOTDML's and married name can it be tested. Does the DNA family and placing MF surnames also show a high instance of Autism due to my high past connections?
Fast Track - Theory to Fact - Labeling Autism
Finding the cm of each sibling of a family (each parent), locating that the siblings with autism are tied to 1 parent (due to higher cm) with the history of high subset DNA of the past by way of genetics records data -- "DePayen Baseline" research project vs ..... Note: Anyone who has a free account and paid $59 for the DNA test can see the cm for parents vs childrens cm (centimorgans).
It would be a goal to process this type of information--my bio son (no other bio children) has a cm closest to the high dna of the past parent (more cm's to that parent). He has more cm to the mother than the father. It is my child who has autism. Since Payne is a direct line to the past--I have high dna of the past with alot MF passengers of pretty high relations/relationship title of the 1620's and before that time. I would like research to go further than helping those to find their high dna/family trees/ develop the foundation of one tree. I would like to find people that have direct lines to the surnames of the MF passengers and have families with autism. Questioning: Is there a same outcome-their bio children with autism relate more to the high dna parent of the past. Also in what order-does dna get passed on more so by the mother with the first child vs later children. Can it be more so with the father with the first child? How does this type of genetic change for time and same environment of body adjusting to same genes for births (for this kind of research). Is remission lessened by way of more births same parents or is it the other way around depending on which (female or male has the high dna) parent.
In a way Infertility and Autism have a simularity--If you have IVF or IVF Gift and it leads to a birth then you have a higher chance of having a child with autism. Questioning: Does high dna family trees/people with high dna for the past also relate to having infertility?
Concern: After this tree is expanded (may be years to bring everyone together in one tree) allow for Hein. The DNA relationship values with 8 MFP are One: John Billington 1576 ties with my GGF Payne and they are related by way of being my 9th GGF. Two: William Bradford 1559 ties with my GGF Payne and they are related by being my bil 6th GGA. Three: James Chilton 1556 also related by by GGF Payne by being my 8th GGF. Four: Francis Cook 1584 .... by being my 10th GGF. Five: Richard Moore 1579 no descendants
Six: Myles Standish 1584 also related by GGF Payne by being my f of 8th GGA. Seven: Richard Warren 1578 also related by my GGF Payne by being my 10th GGF. Eight: William White 1591 2nd C 11x. The relationships change and become tighter/verified better/ as I continue to add wives/husbands/merge same person with same person. The other names of the MFP are: John Alden, William Brewster, Peter Browne, Edward Doty, Frances Eaton-Billington, Moses Fletcher, Edward Fuller, Stephen Hopkins, John Howland, William Mullins, Degory Priest, Thomas Rogers, Henry Samson, George Soule, John Tilley and Edward Winslow--they are all in the "One Tree for All". Currently placing all Relationship values of these last name MFP's / how they relate to me in my facebook account When working with Winslow - Hanks by way of merging same bd bd dd dd I see the dna connection of A Lincoln by way of "Friend" my mothers side but need to keep the place of A Lincoln to expand the "one for all tree" at least for now.
At some point I will start another tree with Abraham Lincoln on my mothers side in the correct place (it is just not develped fully) it has allowed for this " One Tree for All" to be a foundation by way of merging/verifying, others to find their family tree to the 1600's. At a later times adding another tree after the "One tree for All" is developed better then I will add Hein. It would allow for the superseding of AL to not occur(software) for more of the dna facts/relationship values to show up( such as Nine through Twentry Four which is now related through A. Lincoln. For now, we are finding answers through not just family trees and those families that can find their high dna but also through dna tree of the De Payens (One through Eight MFP = DNA Family & One Family Tree of the Paynes). Not only looking at cm.... (see above) but also the age of the parent(s) as dna is transferred by the older male at a higher % (female age ?). Since there are hundreds of thousands of merging of same person (2 to 1) there are double parents showing up and other other mother than what the records with Ancestry are showing/what Geneanet has to offer. I have other better choices than what is offered in Ancestry.com as common answers/records. Many names that sound like ____ have been discovered and I can see they are converted to an American "like" name (and merged to one tree), this is done my our past ancestors. Labeling of all these sounded out kind of names. Because of the double parents, more mothers that brought on about when merging, a pro needs to fine tune this tree for present/future use. A thousand people would not be enough to fine tune this tree ;) This one tree brings to light what belongs and what doesn't because of the enormous amount of merging in the 1600's-starting with many names going backwards many, many times....
RN: Aside from an enormous amount of merging the tree/expanding with extra wives/husband (placing 2 yrs younger for names I find for wives... and detailing....) and getting the TDML's done.... I would like to see if ASU will understand/allow me to pursue this data driven research for labeling autism. My hope is that others will find this out of the box research a foundation for charting genetics through 400+ years and find it the strong connections that I find are a test for locating autism--crossovers. What other questions could be asked to find or see things differently. Can we find others that also have a direct line of males with the 1620's Ancestry? If male genetic information is passed on more so than female then is it a reason for the 4 to 1 ratio in autism? Are there a minute amount of children with autism that have one ethnic type of person married to a very different ethnic type of person--if so this type of data only data to find answers can be done. There is an enormous amount of Ancestry records that I have used and the foundation is my family tree/DNA tree. For about 8 years I have extended the information and merged to bring most people tied to my 1620's very well developed tree. There has been an extreme amount of merging (same person merged with same person). The De Payen family tree/DNA tree is beyond enormous.
Research for the discovery of this type of research of today is different from the research of discovering from the reality of the future.
1) The foundation which is the Payne tree is what is happening in the very past (records of people born to certain families--high dna due to being in one location/marrying same type of people due to same interests (wants same ethnic/race/religion/statusover many years.
2) The processes or behaviors of these processes are detailed by way of specific coding TDML, and DOTDML's to include husband's name in Ancestry.com This is done for each MF 1620's person as they are all in my tree and below show a very close family tie. My goal is to show crossovers.
3) The outcome is Autism-condition of high dna over many crossovers (very little differences in dna/recent racial differences). A condition of inbreeding over hundreds of years.
Discovering (same as above but...)
1) The foundation of others (say there are 30 people in the US that have a straight line/same last maiden name of Alden...... and they perform the same kind of research I am working on/have data to show TDML's, DOTDML's and husbands name. This is linked to my very merged extensive tree.
2) The processes or TDML's.... are coded onto their Ancestry.com Family tree. I am hoping that "Autism Speaks" allows for a grant/help for this research to look at families that have autism and do not have autism with respect to the recent racial remission and look for percentages of facts ...... This is all based on facts/records not what anyone is saying.
3) If we are aware and able to label autism by way of this kind of knowledge--Autism can be understood. Autism can decline.
Research, such an important word in the field of problem solving and I question the difference between discover and discovering. To discover--I found out (dna test) about my De Payen family until 2016--my bio dad leads straight to Hugh De Payen. It is a find/found out/discover of how I can expand/merge so many of the same families together in my Tree (Ancestry.com). Discovering involves locating the foundation of this tree and using it in many ways to see high dna of the past, locations of many births (with regards to relationships), unexplained many very young deaths of boys, locate high dna and/or family trees with high dna of the past, locate relations of Mayflower surnames and other popular surnames of the very old past, and allow a chance to see crossovers. It is possible to develop the corssovers. It is a way to gain specific varied knowledge. Coding the TDML's, DOTDML's... can help to locate a hight subset of same dna from our past. This is an enormous about of details and data entering, a possible theory to truth in seeing the unknown--Autism.
The purpose of this research data is to find and label autism by way of genetics using the De Payen Family/DNA Tree--Ancestry.com This tree is worked on almost daily to merge most everyone in one tree --from the 1600's to about 1800's. It can show families how they relate to their GGF's over about 24 crossovers (marriages/babies since 1600's to include remarriages). If there is a high dna for this subset then Autism is explored by looking at other families that have the same--and have autism in their family. This can also be looked at in a different way--infertility. Infertility is also rising to 20% of the population. Autism is now close to 4% of 333 million in America as of the CDC rates recently published on 3/23/23. It is concerning that a very small percentage has left the United States since the 1600's, it would be common/concerning to find out how much some of us are genetically tied to too many of the same gene (possibly same religion of groups marrying into same groups). Singapore which has the highest religious diversity shows a rate of autism of 1 in 150, Infertility rate almost non-existent as it does not seem to be a problem. Autism in the US 1 in 40 children born have Autism while 1 in every female trying to conceive has infertility--20%. Autism always rising, not sure if infertility is basically the same rate--rising.
The Tree is enormous due to years of expanding extra wives/husband and using this tree allows for an enormous amount of merging of same names. I have all the Mayflower Passenger/others that are from the 1620's in my Family tree with Ancestry.com. My plan is to find autism by way of placing TDML next to the last names of the MFP and veining down from male to male. My last name would have been Payne leading to Hugh de Payen my 24th GGF. In placing information that allows us to see a concentration of the same dna of great grandfathers it will show high concentrations for same dna over an abundance of time. This same blood/dna that crosses over too many times is a theory to produce an anomaly such as a condition of inbreeding. A theory to finding a label for Autism.
I would like to also connect DNA families by way of anyone that has a direct line (same last name all the way to the 1620's). How do I find this person(s)?
This process of placing "TDML" for each male that has the last name of Alden..... from the 1620's and all the daughters of the TDML's (DOTDML's) with their husband's name takes time.
This seems to be the perfect tree to try this very, very extensive research but there it does have the ability to show truth and it helps in creating a tree that condenses all (seems like all) information to one tree(MFP). Most of the information is from the 1400's to the 1800's. Almost all (maybe 99%) information that is available is coming from Ancestry.com -- my dad's line to Hugh De Payen. The HIgh DNA is revealed through Relationship Values (RV) which is the title of relationship between the Paynes and each MF passenger. The higher DNA/closer knit title reveals for others to see if their family (family with autism) hooks up to the same high dna--important to see if autism is related to high dna of the past. Also coding/labeling on Ancestry under Winslow's "High DNA Exponential" after the surname "Winslow". This is being added to just the Winslow's (would like to see if others are also exponetially growing but .....) as there are so many during the 1600's with closer knit titles/RV within the Paynes/Winslows (see Winslows about 300 in the One Tree for All-Paynes. I am only listing those (prob abt 125) that are have close RV's so others can see the pattern along with my project of Veining from the 1620's MFP--looking for a high rate of autism due to high dna of same group of families staying together creating families over 400+ years.
Here are my Relationship Values for each MFP (this changes as there is so much merging of same people-bd/dd). I question in my "one tree for all" if any one person has only one RV-does the software program only allow for one"?
John Alden Mayflower 1598-1687 my 9th GGF (previous dna 12th GGF Paynes switch to AL RV 9th GGF-1 tree)
Isaac Allerton Mayflower 1586-1659 G of wife of husband 1st C 10X
John Billington Bullington Mayflower 1576-1630 G of wife of husband 8th GGA (Dna and of course 1 fam tree)
William Bradford Mayflower 1559-1591 bil of 6th GGA (Dna and of course 1 fam tree)
William Brewster Mayflower 1566-1644 G of wife 1st C 10X now 10th GGF (software switched to AL line of RV)
Peter Browne Mayflower 1587-1633 G of 3rd C 9X
James Chilton Mayflower 1556-1620 8th GGF (Dna and of course 1 fam tree)
Francis Cook Cooke.. Mayflower 1584-1663 10th GGF (Dna and of course 1 fam tree)
Edward Doty Doten Mayflower 1598-1655 fil 1st C 10X
Francis Eaton - Billington Mayflower 1596-1684 fil 8th GGA
Moyses Moses Fletcher Mayflower (left his family for later trip but they did not emigrate to Plymouth, he died 1st winter)
Edward Fuller Mayflower 1575-1620 10th GGF
Stephen Hopkins Mayflower 1581-1644 10th GGU
John Howland Mayflower 1571-1621 h of 1C 11x now 11th GGF (software switched to AL line of RV)
Richard Moore More 1579-1621 no descendants (Dna and of course 1 fam tree)
William Mullins Mayflower 1572-1621 10th GGF
Degory Priest Mayflower 1582-1621 GG of wife 2nd C 8X
Thomas Rogers Mayflower 1598-1621 h of 11th GGM
Henry Samson Mayflower 1604-1684 fil 1C 9x
George Soule Mayflower 1590-1679 fil 2nd C 9x
Myles Standish Mayflower 1584-1656 f of 8th GGA (Dna and of course 1 fam tree)
John Tilley Mayflower 1571-1621 h of 1st C 11x
Richard Warren Mayflower 1578-1628 10th GGF (Dna and of course 1 fam tree)
William White Mayflower 1591-1620 2nd C 11x (Dna and of course 1 fam tree)
Edward Winslow Mayflower 1595-1655 h of 10th GGA
RN: Aside from families with autism being able to connect to this "One Tree for All" Hugh De Payen with MFP (RV/high dna) in the "One Tree for All" the question is "Is there a high probability connecting vs not connecting well to having Autism in the family vs not having Autism in the family due to the high dna shown in this ongoing research. Yes, I need a rewrite of this research. Here is a list of names for high dna due to the greater amount of births in the MFP's during the perioed before the 1700's (using veins of my ancestors/TDML/DOTDML/Husband's name for families to locate their family tree/locate autism probability).
Winslow's before 1699 in my "One For All Tree"-- have not done "Veins of our Ancestors with Winslow's yet.
Categorizing close knit RV of the Paynes's (Title I see in Ancestry.com and placing "Winslow" in the search area there are about 125 that are in the period of the 1699's and before. This is high DNA/Family Tree because of the many crossovers for this group of people over 400 years (High DNA of a specific group). Because i have had to add A. Lincoln to get the "one Tree for All to Exist" and use it for the processes, some names will not have a RV that is DNA tied as it is a part of the A. Lincoln side. A Lincoln is on my mother's side (not as close as I have placed it) but it is not possible at this time to see it in a clear way.
The "High DNA Exponential" is going after the surname of Winslow's in my One Tree for All. Why? There are over 300 Winslow's in my tree it is high dna of the past because of the numbers so the chances for crossovers would be very likely over 400 yrs.
James Winslow Chilton MFC 1556-1620 my 8th GGF by way of Nelson Payne my 2nd GGF 1848-1941, Eleanor Winslow 1677-1738 my (not close)by Harrison Payne my 3rd GGF, Mary Chilton Avery Noyce Winslow 1607-1679 7th GGA by way of Nelson Payne, John Winslow MC 1597-1674 H of 7th GGA by way of Nelson, Sarah Winslow Flight Standish Middlecott Howard 1609-abt 1683 not close by way of Stephen Payne my 8th GGF, Margaret Mary Elizabeth Hicks Winslow 1589-1666 A.Lincoln ...1c 10x, Elizabeth Winslow Clark Clarke Burton 1637-1663 not close A Lincoln, Margaret Winslow Miller 1640-1698 ...1c 10x A Lincoln, Mary Magdeline Sarah Chilton Winslow Sears Sayre Worden 1610-1687 sil 7th GGA by way of Nelson, Rebecca Winslow Thacher 1643-1683 ...1c 10x A Lincoln, Josiah Winslow 1605-1674 ...1c 10x A Lincoln, Edward Winslow 1560-1631 fil 7th GGA by way of Nelson, Elizabeth Barker Berker Winslow or Katherine Moore? w of h 10th GGA A Lincoln, Thankful Winslow Keen Crosby Crosbie 1697-1742 1c 7x A Lincoln, Mary Marcy Winslow Chilton 1628-1664 1c 8x by way of Nelson, Ruth Sargent Bourne Chipman Winslow 1642-1713 w of h 9th GGA A Lincoln, Abigail Austin Autstin Lewis Winslow Webb 1695-1747 A Lincoln, Susanna Winslow Lathan 1630-1685 1c 8x by way of Nelson, Mary Winslow Gray 1635-1665 1c 8x by way of Nelson, Edward 1635-1682/Sarah 1638-1726/Isaac /John all 1c 8x by by way of Nelson, Samuel Wilson 1641-1680 1c 8x A Lincoln, Julia C Winslow Clark 1651-1673 1c 8x by way of Nelson, Benjamin Winslow 1653-1676 1c 8x by way of Nelson, Susanna Jackson Fuller White Winslow 1593-1680 10th GGA A Lincoln, George Winslow 1691-1757 fil 1c 8x by way of Harrison Payne my 3rd GGF, Winslow Hayward 1602- not close by way of Stephen Payen 1629 8th GGF, Lydia Winslow 1693- 1c 7x A Lincoln, Snow Winslow 1698-
So at some point I can go into my account with Ancestry place Winslow in the search and if I can get a high dna from the exp labeling and the "Veins of our Ancestors" I could have a list of people to contact to find out if they have autism and see if there is a higher than normal rate due to the high dna processing/profiles in this chart I am trying to produce. There is the dna family info for myself and others but also the family tree, I would be working with the dna part.
RN: Since there are different " by way of Nelson, Harrison, Stephen Payne... " in the 1699 and before of Winslow's could this be a way to see double/triple/... of the same great grandfathers within the Winslow's and more so as the more present time. I will extend also to place info for the 1700-1799 and 1800-1900 but because it is such a large amount of info--western exp may not show up. Many of the Winslow's of today could have the same GGF's coming from all angles--how to find that ? This is why the One Tree for All can be/should be expanded and used for all. Someday just a drop of blood will show your complete family tree based on yours vs theirs. No family tree needed. Does not matter about an affair or two. Kind of interesting how the future is foretelling the past.
RN: Although they MFP relationship to the Paynes are not all close in relationship the idea back then until the 1800's would be to marry someone in you station of life. The crossovers are higher because the richer people married into the same families that were within the same station-- as they said back then.
Finding high dna -- Alden's, Cook's are worked on now to find TDML's and DOTDML's with husbands name but in order of high dna I would add others that I see in my tree and Chilton 8th GGF, Fuller 10th GGF, Hopkin 10th GGU, Mullin 10th GGF, Rogers 11th GGF, Standish 8th GGA, Warren 10th GGF, and Winslow 10th GGA. I'm trying to expand/merge and see relationship values of each surname of MFP and others. This is inrelationship to my fathers line the Paynes--Reno Payne born 1904 to Hugh de Payen in 1100's. I would like to find women who also have a maiden name such as above list (to label TDML's...) in my tree so I can match dna data. I would need a straight line of that particular name to the 1620's--she has had children (her grandfathers are leading to Mayflower Alden, Chilton, Cook.., Fuller, Hopkins, Mullins, Rogers, Standish, Warren, and Winslow of the 1620's. Research--Later I can ask those in my DNA family if they are related to .... after putting Alden... in the search box at my Ancestry.com tree. At some point asking if there is austim in their family or just leaving the info here for others to look up and make a connection due to no remission of other outside relations (person married someone from another country recently). Research-- Asking Mayflower websites for help in locating this person that could have more help in identifying high dna/crossover/same grandfathers in our dna. Possibly causing an anomoloy--a type of inbreeding over possibly 24 times in 400 years. If my ancestors had relations in the 1620's they more than likely had more before that time ( some MF names are connected in my family tree before the 1620's) so it could be more than 24 crossovers of same Grandfathers.
To label "Autism" 1) Find high dna of MFP/other 1620... from a tree that is associated with high dna of MFP/crossovers of high dna over 400+ years using "TDML" to show lines of same grandfathers since the 1620's. 2) Find daughters of TDML's and place them on this website (not placing TDML's that do not have daughters without children or DOTDML's that do not have children--some I cannot find/develop. The merging/expanding is with everyone basically from the 15th century. To allow for this to be more precise--Ruth Alden 16th GGM 1488, Philip Cook 14th GGF 1448, John Winslow 7th GGU 1597, Richard Warren 10th GGF 1578, James Chilton 8th GGF, John Alden 12 GGF 1598, Francis Cook 10 GGF 1584. We are family and the subsets of too much of the same DNA could be a part of a condition of a neurological disability called Autism. It is a possibility and can be shown. More discoveries of how I relate to the MFP and others will be also listed as I find more information and develop/merge families/place so much information.
332 million in America 3% with Autism, that is 10 million. 4 to 1 for non hispanic whites to latino or african americans. 4 to 1 boys vs girls. Reason--Runs in families due to genetics too much of the same dna. Reason--more whites due to the original set of dna in the 1400's/1620/abt 1800's and many more times/same dna shown in my massive Ancestry.com De Payen dna/family tree. Reason--more boys than girls due to the known male gene variants are more transferable. Can we see a dna math/family tree patterns for a set of high dna which leads to a type of autism (neurological disorder). This list (The Alden's are all from the 1620's line male to male from 1620's or before that time) High DNA is explored in this research using my ever very very expansive tree. ALDEN-------------------------------------------
Adam 1781 H Anne 1808 Atkins Adkins (John) Albert 1906 Homer Maridell 1920 Yoho (Warren Harlan) Albert 1836 Washington Carrie 1866 Francena Phelps (Clarence) Alexander 1814 Hettie 1865 Kendall (Freeman H) Alexander 1794 Nancy L and/or Lucy L Honstan Huston (John Calvin)
Alonzo 1817-Sarah 1842 Smith (Nelson) Jan 23, Eliza 1852 Tibbetts Goodrich (George), Emma Louise 1854 Crouch (Melville) Alpheus 1798-Sarah Ann Bearce/Bearse (Horace) + Alpheus 1765-Lucinda 1798 Stoddard (?) Alvah 1820-Emily 1856 Thomas Andrew (George H) Alvin 1823-Ruth 1850 E Ahrens Ahrends Albrenas (William), Sarah 1849 A Lucas (Groonup P) Amander 1811-Amelia 1846 P Cole (Ephraim Thomas) Amasa 1775-Sarah 1806 M Dunbar (Rev. Darius Darcus) Amos 1866-Stella 1909 M A Swan (Earl M) Andrew 1684-Lydia 1727 Also married an Alden-Seth Capt 1721 will list later RN: Andrew Alden (TDML) 1684 father of daughter (Lydia) and Lydia marries a TDML (Seth Alden Capt 1721 they have 2 children--last names Wolcott and Spooner. Andrew 1721-Fear 1755 Beaumont (Isaiah) Andrew Elmer 1852- Anna 1895 Annie M Hoard McGuire (Walter H)
Research: Alden's also TDML's--no death date could be stillborn or very young: NN 1856 Adelbert Henry 1856 Amos Col. 1765 Arthur 1885 Augustus 1871 Charles Fredrick 1948 Chester 1870 Clarence 1896 Clarence Evan 1918 Clifford James 1904 David 1927 Dona 1906 Earl J 1885 Edward 1867 Edward 1878 Elijah 1807 Elmore Elmon 1876 Elton Dite Dike 1915 Floyd 1937 Frank 1878 Frank 1860 Fred 1854 Gene 1939 George 1824 George 1839 George 1898 George Edwin 1859 Hardin Harden 1829 Henry 1832 Henry B 1843 Henry Eben 1847 Horatio 1855 Ichabod 1806 James 1729 James 1862 James Chester 1941 John 1729 1871 1895 John Jr 1911 John 1938 1915 John Breonham 1923 John Harvey 1936 John Henry Harlow 1876 John Lincoln 1924 John Ordway 1925 John W 1933 Joseph 1801 Josiah 1724 Judah 1825 Len Leon 1824 Nathaniel 1748 Newton 1862 Richard Clarence 1871 Rinaldo 1828 Ronald Edward 1944 Samuel Sam E 1911 Seth 1776 Stanley Frank 1880 T S 1840 Timothy John 1948 Walter s 1827 Will 1880 William 1856 1872 William Croswell 1831 William F 1822 William H 1860 No names 1828 1834 1863 1940 Allen Earl 1935 Allen 1834 Robert E 1928 Henry Carolus Charles 1853 Jonathan 1862 Usaac 1821 William 1835 John 1786 Again when I follow/place TDML for the pathway male to male from 1620's Mayflower Alden I do not see the girls dying at such a young age/more girls born to TDML than boys 3 to 1 at least. If 500 TDML Alden's then 1500+ DOTDML. Will be looking for this discrepancy or unusual find.
The total TDML-True Direct Male Line (share 1620's Mayflower Alden GGF and other GGF as clusters would be over 500 male people in my family tree.
Research: Alden's Boys early deaths TDML's (male to male from 1620's Mayflower Alden Grandfather) Adoniram 1817-21 Alexander J 1834-35 Anthony 1720-20 Briggs 1848-52 Caleb 1744-47 Charles 1849-50 Charles 1878-78 George 1805-05 George 1828-29 Harry 1805-05 Harry L 1875-75 Hezekiah 1767-68 Hosea 1773-75 Isaac 1758-59 John 1719-20 John Briggs 1710-12 John 1915-1917 Jonathan 1703-04 Joseph 1693-95 Joseph Henry 1838-38 Judah 1790-92 Leonard Lewis 1840-42 Orlando Fuller 1839-40 Thomas 1701-01 Webster Daniel 1838-39 Alex 1850-51
Notes: Wish I could get my nephew or someone in the family to write " The Veins of our Ancestors" The TDML's according to the relationship value between the Payne's and various different surnames of the Mayflower passengers to include how the hundred of Captains fit in. It is kind of a history book unfolding. If I can find someone that is my dna relation by way of 10th GGF due to the strange last name--can I find others that are in my dna family that are a straight true direct male line to some of the 1620 grandfathers. I am clearly tied to this Mayflower population.
RN: The merging of same people within my tree same bd dd leads to a change of John Basse (changing all Basse to Bass) from 9th GGF to a GGU and Samuel Bass 1600- becomes the 9th GGF. Started the TDML's for this line. I will list the passed on infants/very young toddler (TDML's of Alden's) 10% of the Alden's TDML's above along with those that do not have dd for the TDML's of the Alden's. This may be a shortcut and somethings that is duable for getting quicker answers or seeing a problem as I will also be looking at deaths for infants for DOTDML's of Aldens. The "Word" program will be used to create attachments for this large group of info (TDML and DOTDML) later for many surnames.
RN: The TDML's for the Alden's are about 500 people they are labled after the last name TDML in my Ancestry.com Payne/Depayen family tree. Around 10% of the boys have died (of the TDML's for the Alden's) at an infant age or before the age of 2. Girls are 3:1 in that girls are likely to be born for all TDML's in the Alden's. There are 81 without a death date so the 10% deaths of the small boys could be higher. I do not see any girl death dates at an early age and I have been expanding the DOTDML's. This is kind of a red flag. When I detail the DOTDML's and show the husband's name for posssible tie to more autism due to the high dna for families,I may find some girls that have died early on but nothing yet. Kind of strange findings. After the DOTDML's I will add Capt John Bass 1630-1716 since he is my 9th GGF ( for finding TDML's).
RN: Although it would be easy to cut and paste or place an attachment for the Alden's and Cook.... TDML's I will not be doing this but keeping a notebook of this(print out) and instead placing the DOTDML's showing the husbands name. Why? Because the whole process of finding high dna of MFP/Others would be from the women who have the high dna and have children--I want to show/have others see the information and see that it ties to the--belief too much dna of the same can cause a condition of inbreeding that leads to a neurological disorder. AUTISM. I have been expanding the DOTDML's and will probably start to list them in a few weeks for Alden and Cook... I would still need to develop all the other names that the Payne's/ DePayens are closely related using Project RV of what is in my tree. Yes, I need time.
RN: Approximately 350 TDML's for Alden's just in my family tree and about 340 TDML's for Cook.. All TDML's share the 1620 Mayflower passenger but depending on how it is veined they can share many of the same GGF. What is more important the DOTDML's as they carry the high DNA of the past and it is over and over with the same dna. I will have to add the husbands later. Still adding TDML's to the tree (most extensive tree in America). So much merging of same bd dd/person for a truer tree. Noticing that young boys are not living past 1 not seeing seeing this in girls or TDML's. TDML's and DOTDML's have more high dna than anyone else. Anyone a DOTDML living today? Like myself? Also more girls born than boys of TDML's. Should be a research on the varied female wives and how they end up having more boys. Asking again if you have too much Mayflower DNA then Autism? Asking if I have about 700 TDML just in Alden and Cook then how many DOTDML's do you think ..... More than 10% MF ancestry not if we share GGF history. DOTDML's for today need to be researched. All I can do is post and hope that families with autism will see a genetic path and this will be researched again for facts. I will extend other surnames names, this take time....................
Alongside with history, many of us have tried to make problems a thing of the past. Research involving this type of research is extremely problematic because it involves billions of details and relies on the De Payen Family tree for its data. The most important data to find autism through genes would be by the way of the DOTDML (daughter of the true direct male lines of the MFP/Others at that time). I have created a vein(s) from the 1620's Mayflower Aldens (1 grandfather) down to the many fathers and sons. It is the daughter and their husbands names that are important in finding a strong pattern of autism due to the strong dna of the past. My belief is that the genetic problem lies with too much of the same dna over about 550yrs (at least with tree). In research I ask "are the DOTDML's high with autism in their families due to little or no recent racial genetic differences". It has been years of developing the tree and I can only offer the TDML of Alden and Cook for right now. I have a background of working with extreme high data and receiving rewards but this is very challenging for one person. I will start plugging in my TDML's today. This (TDML) is the 1620's grandfather to father to son to son ... down to say the early 1900's. I am suspecting there are many thousand of TDML's in my tree. There is autism in the family (Payne/DePayen-father's side) and also with my mother's side (Clark's and Roger's).
Within the time frame of 3 months I have found that using the Payne / De Payen Family tree shows history over 600yrs with many TDML's male to male (most genetic info sent from descendant to ascendant or grandfather to grandfather) I have placed the "TDML" so far with the Cooks.... and Aldens in hopes that others (esp those that have autism in their families) will expand their family tree and show that many same lines of grandfathers/surnames within 600 yrs of baby making/having children with the same genes. Many started to have families even before their 20's. So far I have a great tree to show the TDML's as there would be more to come as I keep working on this. My 16th GGM is Ruth Alden from 1488. My14th GGF is Philip Cook from 1448. Here is the Discovery of the Cook's... " The TDML's : Here is the discovery of the Alden's TDML's RN: If the ratio exist of the 4 to 1 male to female autism rate and 6 to 1 male to female autism rate in New Jersey and no one can give and explanation then is it because of the line of Grandfathers of each surname causing a type of inbreeding over 600yrs. Is it genetics over the course of time with some locations being hit more with this kind of theory to fact ?
In working to merge/expand all MFP to one tree and find autism has been difficult but the Cook's are worked on because they are going to be detailed. All Cooke, Cocke, Coke has been changed to Cook for the first surname so the software picks it up. Since New Jersey is the state that has 6 to 1 males with autism and the TDML has been very much veined down from my tree it makes sense to look for the cause (genetics) for autism through the Cook's. Most Cook's are coming from the Novia Scotia area and staying in New Jersey. Most of my old research notes go from exceptionally large ideas/information/projects to downsize/find a better way to see the effect. Mostly this is done because there is just one person looking at this/trying to find research from my own thoughts--Tree (A) Processes (B) and Effect-Autism (C). Upcoming data on the many many Cooks and Philip Cook 1448-1503 14th GGF by way of my Payne family. I only will provide round one of the DOTDML (husbands name) for Cook's... but in the future my guess is that there will be more families with Autism ties to the Cook's due to the theory to fact that our genes play a part in "why" we have autism.
There is a tremendous amount of information/attachment to work on but need to add Project 5 after "The List". It is taking the DOTDML and also looking for high dna like project 1 using the Payne RV. It is to get a clearer concept/high dna of ties to their particular Mayflower TDML to the connection of other MF marriages such as I did with seeing Alden's being a part of the Payne's earlier than the 1600's.
Futuristically, finding more high dna RV-relationship values before the 1600's and finding more crossovers after the 1800's would provide more information. As the website is continuing to get attachments added for the projects 1-4 along with "The List" maybe more families of autism will see the patterns and develop their family/dna family trees. Somewhere in America there would be daughters of the TDML's (Mayflower and "Others") still alive today--they can also go through the same processes/projects to come up with their unique set of data. Someday it will be added. I think within 2 years this will look different and be more relevant if not for showing autism--a way of too much of the same dna over 400yrs then for other reasons. This website mayflowerdadepayenautismresearch.com is a very much expanded way of genetic research that is different. For now, it is read bottom up as it is only 3 months old and pretty raw. The data is also mostly from old history to the about 1800's.
This section is called "The List" and will be used to give a sample of the Aldens project 1 and Cook's project 2 --attachment also given later. Project 1: Alden's--DOTDML surnames are:__________________________________________________________________________ Project 2: Cook's DOTDML surnames are:____________________________________________________________________________________________________
Never ending: For each family that can hook up to these names it also needs to follow down to the date of birth of a person with autism. I'm happy to be able to find this core. Maybe it will help
Reflect: It is funny that in taking a class at ASU they asked what is your favorite movie--it was Lorenzo's Oil. He also exercised the "B" or processes to change the condition of the diagnosis. I guess there is the "disease, condition and those that want to research--the exercise to change the condition of the disease.
I would hope to find answers in New Jersey with Autism Speaks/with families that have a high ratio of male to female autism. I'm not sure how? But I can list the surnames--getting a little closer to find theory to truth. A possibility.
RN: If I can gather the daugters of project 1 high dna for Baseline and keep a pool of surnames for Project 1 and compare to Project 2 DOTDML surnames what do I see. If I can gather both pool names of both Projects then compare to families that have autism what do I see. Do I see remission with others that have married with varied genetic backgrounds ? Surnames RV =husbands name of say Payne to high DNA for Alden's and surnames for = husbands name for the DOTDML.
RN: It would be very interesting to label the DOTDML of each TDML and vein if they are married to another man who is also a TDML--will this happen and happen more than once ? Very interesting but not stupid
RN: At some point DOTDML will be placed for every daughter of the TDML-useful in finding more accurate genetic data for seeing patterns in order to show common whole groups of say possible high rates of Autism. This is Project 4 . Looking at the data of Project 1-4 and how we tie strong commonalities of what it happening with _________ within certain families.
RN: When getting results from Project 2 (finding veins to all TDML's from say Cook's) I find that the 1 person for Cook's DNA close/TDML would be my 12th GGF Anthony Cooke Knight of the Bath Scholar Sheriff of Essex Hertford Tutor to King Edward VI 1504-June 11 1576-Hammonds are inbetween the Cooke and Payne TDML. RV is with 2nd GGF HP 1799-1866. 13th and 14th GGF --John Cook Knight of the Bath 1474-Oct 10 1516 and 14th GGF Philip Cooke Knight of the Bath General 1448- Dec 7 1503 same ties and between also Hammond. They are TDML's and below are Cook 9th cousins by way of NP1848-1941 1st GGF Arthur 1895-1993 Charles W 1884- Fred W 1898- George G 1896- Gilbert E 1894- Russel L 1886- Sherman A 1892- Smyth Sonyth Sith Hatfield 1885-Aug 23 1921 Walter W 1902- William H 1884-
There are also GGU TDML's Jacob Cooke 1618-Dec 17 1675 9th GGU by way of Hp 1799-1866 my 2nd GGF, Richard 1578- 10th GGU same, William 1582- 10th GGU same way.
Currently working to place Cook then Cooke or Cock or Coke or Couke for each of these type of surnames in my family tree so merging same with same occurs and TDML is accurate for veining process. Also to vein my DNA BASELINE TDML's for just "TDML" from my Payne family --need a couple weeks for this as I am also working to replace Paine to Payne then Paine to .....
RN: When getting results from Project 1 using Alden's and any first name Alden's I find that the closest 1 person for Alden's DNA close/TDML would be my 15th GGF RV line is as follows: John Henry Alden 1510-1567, Richd Alden de Scrooby 1531-98 George Joseph Alden Aldane 1548-1620, John Mayflower Alden 1598-1687 Ruth Alden Aulden Bass 1637-1674 Samuel Bass 1660-1751 Samuel Bass Blodget Blogget 1700-1768 Hannah Bass Blodget Blogget Paine 1628-1688 John Paine 1658 Bass/Blodgett/Bloggett added to my list of surnames MFP as another added surname/important for gene duplication finding Autism.
RN: Not techy but after getting this 1) example "Alden" for Project 1 explained better below and 2) example "Cook" for Project 2 explained better below I will be placing pdf uploads into Wix for surnames since it is a lot of information--this will be for Project 1,2,3. As all the old notes are not worked on. The old notes brought me to this research that seems to be a good place to be for finding...
RN: There is another Project 3 but it is being done off the record/website it includes a notebook where the NP1535 changes to an earlier RV on Project 1 (found while working with Brewster's in my family tree) this is probably due to the fact of many merges of same person with same person of b/dd. It is important (Project 3) because I see that the result of Project 1 leads to my highest DNA relative surname of the first researched from Project one which is _______________________________________________________________ Alden by way of ______________________________________________ so this notebook will have the Brewsters showing changes of RV dates (2) (some change from NP1535 to JP1658 for example) and so far one name of the Alden and one name of the Cook's in my family tree. Why?-Because direct lines of whoever with an earlier crossover may be more important (than Baseline TDML and/or TDML) in looking at the "why" in Autism--people may have same grandfathers that are strong in their dna. Such as a person having the same 14th GGF of a cook with the same direct line of a 7th GGF Cook. The name of the Alden and also the one found ___________________________Cook by doing Project 2 is in the notebook and more will come--this is alot of work. They are basically strong DNA for Payne but past strong DNA for another surname such as above Alden's and Cook's. This notebook of the one name of Alden for me and also Cook is a crossover of old 1620's strong ties to the (being aware) of more current ties of another's family's tree--family with autism. It is another way to use the Baseline of the Paynes but with a strong crossover. To find... To possibly find... There really are so many types of crossovers but male to male would be something I can work with. It has been difficult to write this as a common story its more of research notes to find/get more answers into math/genetics.
Fast Track? Instead of looking at each MFP surname and various first names by way of RV-Relationship value/Ancestry.com--place surname in my family (male to male) tree surname search see date of marriage relationship/relationship label I will be working with Project 2. Project 2 may be more important for exploring my DNA family, this may lead to more of an accurate answer for finding autism( a type of autism-there are over a dozen). I want to start my list of the DNA family to get the core of the information such as asking questions of autism,recent racial genetic differences and finding each of their direct lines (the TDML's) for the MFP. I already know I have a high dna set for the MFP's. These are the volunteers I would really want to find answers. Project 2-- I Used the Cooke's, so starting with the one MFP Cooke "Mayflower Cook" it was a little difficult to descend from the one person 1620's Cooke's in my family tree, keep track of the various veining, label eash male to male "TDML", expand to the max of information and merge same person to same person in my massive tree. Project 2 is more important than Project 1 as I will be linking the TDML to the DNA family of mine with DNA family surnames of the MFP, this will be to find ... I am unsure if verifying/seeing a clue/is the answer but DNA does tell the truth. I'm a little unsure if this is the best way to go to get faster results. Just having a website to show information may help to gain insight into what I see. The hope of finding Autism. I have all 1620's MFP in my family tree so I will be placing "TDML" next to their surname area(in Ancestry.com). This is for male to male/son to son True Direct Male Line next to many descendants of of the one 1620's MFP. This is not just the Cooke's as I have done but all/each surname. Project 1 is done below with "Alden's" (see "DATA"). I will also finish Payne's labeling in surname area "BASELINE TDML". I doubt there will be any other Baseline TDML's because most of my data is from earlier times. Ancestry does not carry information on the living/for privacy reasons. There are probably at least 300 for Cookes of TDML IN JUST MY TREE. The question to ask is: Is this a formula to see the genes in autism--too much of the same dna/too much of the same male to male variants has a role in the 4:1 ratio of male leading to Autism?
I will be collecting information from my DNA family with and without common ancestors which is quite a bit of people. I will be trying to find their TDML or MFP line through surnames in my specific family tree/dna tree. This is to record what I can ant look for answers by way of dna--a more trueful way to find correct answers into Autism. Later, I will try to continue the 2 Projects alongside working with my dna family/question of autism/TDML to MFP and question of recent racial differences. I should have some answers.
History behind This Almost Three Month Old Research-mayflowerdadepayenautismresearch.com Deborah West This research involves working with many times/places/people. In research, by example such as behavioral research—Skinner/Bijou the “Antecedent” is the __________ of whatever is happening before the behavior. In my research the Antecedent is the massive Family Tree of the De Payens. This tree is the baseline used to find Autism by way of many times/many places/many people. In particular it is with the people landing from the Mayflower ship in the1620’s-- the Mayflower Passengers/close family members which is also the Paynes. The family tree is also my DNA family tree (biological father’s last name is Payne and it is direct male to male up to Hugh De Payen). This tree is the most enormous/detailed/merged of all tree’s with Ancestry.com to include a wealth of Mayflower Passengers and family surnames. It has an enormous amount of information—people from mostly the 1600’s and 1700’s. The merging of same names/birthday/death dates of various people allows the tree to become a truer tree or a “One Tree for all”. This work is done by myself--Deborah West as The Payne Tree “momdeborah52” has been expanded/detailed/merged for many years. It really is my Trademark for research both with the family tree to provide information and also the DNA family tree to research and possibly use for verification into the “Why” of Autism. It is with Ancestry.com. The two processes used within the Ancestry.com family tree is done to allow us to become more aware that genes play an enormous part in finding the “Why” –why we have autism. The Trademark tree is the best one to use and may be the only one. In reading below, the “Data” and “TDML True Direct Male Line” will work off of the specific people/time/locations. This Trademark or De Payen Family tree is in place of Skinners same idea of “A B C”. The Antecedent is a way to explain the “what is happening before the interaction”, the “inter-action” is replaced by Skinner/Bijou’s “Behavior”). I have done this to use a popular reference/skill/methodology, it is unique in that I see also a Trademark, Copyright and possible Patent. This research has started the process of relationship data/relationship value (RV) by comparison as Ancestry shows relationships. Surname and any first name in the family tree can provide the relationships and then record the direct line. It is done by way of the “Data” section and “TDML” section. In much ways, the “Data” and “TDML” information is the inter-action which has the same kind of thought process as Skinner/Bijou’s “Behavior” . The Behavior is replaced by processing a type of research to see how the family tree can be made more aware of its role/how it plays its role—Baseline up against each surname. This “Data” is a way to see the high dna of a surname or closest relative but also provides an active way to see various information over time (marriages, many same set surnames, true male to male direct line MFP crossovers with other TDML crossovers over time. This process will show crossovers and duplications as some same set DNA families are in certain areas of the US. This alteration of looking at information various processes can provide a way to see things differently. The norm “behavior” is changed by way of seeing the problem verifying Autism “the Consequence” Skinner/Bijou. It is my belief that genes can tell a story. The problem is not the behavior but in my term it is the change in physical anatomy. My belief is that there is a condition over 400yrs of mating with the same dna we create this problem. The problem is the “Why”, why we have this consequence of Autism. It is a goal/project to find is the highest relationship just from the family tree and all the records I have been inputting for many years—Ancestry.com. This is accomplished by a kind of algebra-relationship value-one baseline information name vs another surname by way of Ancestry.com This “Data” is pretty detailed as it looks at each relationship for each surname of the MFP but also others that are very strong in marriages at the time of the 1600’s. The second goal is to find all male to male descendants from the main Mayflower Passenger and place TDML—True Direct Male Line so I can use this in my process to find answers in the coming months. Both projects allow for more time spending to expand the tree and find more merging of same data to one data/one person. This is a great tree to work with as it has all the Mayflower passengers in the tree. DNA variants are carried much more with the male to male family line. Going over the course of 400+years is possible. This Research has many Questions/Notes/Hypothetic views Is there one landing of the set of dna in the 1620’ and another in the late 1700’s in Western Expansion times, can this be seen by the Payne’s by way of marriages and locations—little chance to find a mate outside of this group—Caucasion/Christians. Can showing a high dna for each of my surnames (plus) along with the TDML provide answers to most people (my results would in turn be their results). This is true for goal one but may be worked through as a template for the second goal. When looking at most of the people that have extensive family tree’s and comparing Autism/low or no varied recent genetic differences do we see high MFP dna for a specific group/autism vs low or no MFP dna for a specific group/no autism. I have not done this but it can be done.
It is a known fact that males carry the most variants to their male children and older fathers also send more dna variants than younger fathers—mine was 57 years old. I have heard twins can carry different variants. If there is a connection to the “Data” –Goal one and TDML –Goal two then future questions should be asked about can this condition cause infertility, ADHD, depression. Can the physical anomaly of the brain be like a poor immune system in handling the shots at such a young age. In autopsies done on people that have died (lifespan is shorter) and have autism there is proof that a portion of the brain cells are problematic. This susceptibility can be a reason for the change into autism, as many parents have seen this change. Can we prove this if we know how we can see autism/what it is. If there is a connection to the “Data” and “TDML” what causes the more severe types of autism. Why are there over a dozen types of autism. Do certain people carry the same over and over same dna from long ago—other countries. Is remission of this same dna and another race/country a ticket to ride—no autism for a generation—just to start up again. My very strong ties are with the Payne’s, Cooke’s (found with TDML process), Alden’s(found with RV process) and I have so much more to find…. In process 1 everything is found through my father’s side, very few with the Rogers, Clarks on my mother’s side. Since my grandfather married a second time into the same family as his brother then I added the first wife Mary Jane Harris and added Lincoln. This is done basically because I did not know I was going start this research, it was to purely expand my tree. It does expand it and merge it as there are so many more record with the Lincolns. I needed to expand my tree and it was already done by the time I started exploring with people/time/and ways to process this research. My uncle has a Pulitzer Prize for his book “The Dred Scott Case” Don E Fehrenbacher. It was to find out if I can get a tree going since my mom’s dad and his brother wife would already be a part of the same dna family. Can I pull up each TDML for each surname and place in the beginning part of this research, Can I place the information on the “Data” to show a specific time and place of marriages for various surnames, Can I see correlation from “Data” of two TDML Paynes and two TDML whatever two same surnames over time. Creating various list of times/locations, specific TDML Paynes and high relationship values as a template with more to be researched.
Note: TDML are Father to son births that do not have a current connecting time for the recent present while Baseline TDML does have a current connecting time for the present. One example is my "Payne" tree. There will be many to label as TDML in my tree but for privacy this is an area for a future private agency to keep track of--well it is/will be in Ancestry.com
The Scientific Method for labeling Autism as High DNA involves a list of many families (mom/dad and their children) of the children some will have autism but some will not have autism. This is within the same mom/dad relationship. If all (many)families (those children with autism) have the high cm of the ancestry.com dna test going to the parent with known high dna of the past, alongside with low cm of dna family (those showing up in dna with diversity outside--such as born outside the US) vs if children without autism have lower cm of the ancestry.com dna test going to the other parent that does not have as much high dna from the past (My 10 year template Hugh De Payen tree would show relationship values/high dna (my tree/my past is your tree RV are explored with each family...). Also the child without the diagnosis may show higher cm (closer to) to a close relative that has diversity (born outside of the US). Since there is extreme value in the math in this as it shows/verifies the theory to fact it would be important to find answers by way of the template and the many families that are out there (finding/verifying some of the 5 million) that fit into this way of SM -- using families with both -- some of the children have autism, some of the children do not have autism. I'm sure we can find a few thousand it there are 5 million in our population. This is ever so rising each year. There have been some very poor language used for why we have autism, why not use math ? The correlation of Mayflower Descendants living today and the DNA/Family Tree correlation math from the De Payens tree can show an area of research not done before. How many high dna ancestors do you have, what is your relationship value/title to each one ? Are there some ancestors very common to the dx. ? If you have numbers in families then you can get a clearer picture. It is to bring about awareness of our physical anatomy between many surnames--high dna/relations within.... Such as anything from the Paynes, Clarks, Roger, Lincolns from say the 1800 can be the same exact path as any family because I have all paths. It is just that the relationship or my end title as to how I relate to .... is different but my Payne Family Tree has the same paths to the 1620's for every family in America that is white. This research provides for an answer to the "Why" in Autism--why we have autism. There are over a dozen types of autism--this is large group specifically non Hispanic whites. This could be a process to prove why we have autism with whites and at some point we could then work to find past ancestors that are high dna for the the double/triple/quadruple cousins over hundreds of years. First we could see who the past ancestors are that create autism due to high dna by way of looking at many families and the fact that some children have autism some do not. WHY? Using math deduction by way of cm's if............. There is an extreme amount of prevalence among non-Hispanic whites. 5 million 1 in 36 people with Autism. At first I worked with 51 Mayflower passenger surnames --those that landed in Plymouth New England in December of 1620. LIst: John Alden Isaac Allerton Mary (Norris) Allerton Bartholomew Allerton Mary Allerton Remember Allerton John Billington Elinor Billington Francis Billinton William Bradford William Brewster Mary Brewster Love Brewster Peter Browne James Chilton Mrs James Chilton Mary Chilton Francis Cooke John Cooke Edward Doty Francis Eaton Samuel Eaton Sarah Eaton Moses Fletcher Edward Fuller Mrs Edward Fuller Samuel Fuller (son) Samuel Fuller Stephen Hopkins Elizabeth (Fisher) Hopkins Giles Hopkins Constance Hopkins John Howland Richard More William Mullins Priscilla Mullins Degory Priest Thomas Rogers Joseph Rogers Henry Samson George Soule Myles Standish John Tilley Joan (Hurst) Tilley Elizabeth Tilley Richard Warren William White Susanna (Jackson) White Peregrine White Resolved White Edward Winslow. The surnames of these passengers are examined in detail by way of the most expansive family/dna tree available--my Payne family tree with Ancestry. It should be trademarked as it shows almost everyone in the 1600-1700's. There has been hundreds of thousands of merging of same birthday/death date/same person to get a condensed/extensive/accurate tree. The correlation from one person to another in reading by way of Ancestry.com sheds an enormous amount of individual and group information. Because my relationship values can be shown than all relationship values can be shown and this is how we immediately can see high dna. This information provides information 1) of 2 same sets DNA landings-one in the 1620's and another mid America for Western Expansion 2) Direct line-shows male direct line ancestry for increased male variants (4:1 ration boys) -paternal side passes the most variant eg. Paynes I have direct line father is Reno and 23rd GGF is Hugh De Payen 3) Without asking anyone I can find the highest DNA for each surname by DNA math correlation (1 family vs another much like algebra if X is _ then _. Researching involves a massive amount of information and the "Data" is ongoing. Relating to Design by Research--this research is designing itself. The observations that are recorded are in stone by way of a massive tree to include all Mayflower passengers/others tied to them. The processes provides specific information exercising to find more information/awareness of physical anatomy. The consequence is a website that gives the most information about physical anatomies about each of us. There is a continued exercise of finding and others finding answers to how we correlate to have autism in our genetic make up. My verification will be looking at surnames in my DNA family tree and finding their direct line with the MFP.. surnames--recording that data along with if they have autism/racial genetic difference and seeing ? It will take time and more effort to see the "why". I can also use common ancestors dna family tree and or dna family tree. This vs my family tree may also provide answers --why some family have autism and others do not. Other verifications will be from the communities that will look at this finished research and also find likenesses of processes/data for families that have autism, possibly seeing why some have more severe autism. A Copyright for this DNA Math correlation is coming but it is very extensive research. The tree is beyond extensive..... I see the Tree as in Bjou's A-B-C theory as the A. The "Anatomy" is replaced from Bx and the "C" is Autism-the event occurring. Instead of the function of the bx is the Antecedent --the function of the anatomy is the condition of 2 landings (many of the same dna over the course of 400 years--we have the same dna that we have been marrying without much of anyone outside of the United States-- a kind of inbreeding). I believe we are set to change the physical anatomy of America and other Countries if we are to change the increased rate and ongoing increase rate in Autism. This is the best way to find answers--Using the best tree and dna math correlation by way of the Paynes. It has been simple to click on each name in Ancestry.com and see the specific Payne tied to that specific name such as any first name and one of the surnames of the MFP. The "Data" shows an enormous amount of mid America Paynes connecting to all the surnames of the Mayflower Passengers.. See the "Data". Relationship lines go up and down through time--Starting with the Alden--See Below. The discovery of this type of dna math or correlation between relationships, grouping information by way of location and subsets is new. It would be important to ask how many common lines do we see for those that have autism in their families? The massive family tree that has been worked on extensively is basically the "whole number one" in math and how it play off each data allows for answers. This process is copyrighted but should be open to the public for answers and other data tagging such as for medical data. Always evolving and becoming more. Data for autism is caputured in the website "mayflowerdadepayen.com"
1) There is a process to find high relations/high dna for each surname within each surname of the Mayflower passengers.
2) There are groups of high possibilies of high dna for a second location/time peiod in history for Mayflower passengers.
3) Data is provided for those that have/want to expand their Mayflower trees.
4) Data is provided for looking at subsets of names that have high data of Mayflower passengers
5) Data is provided for finding Mayflower passengers that tie to my family in the 1535's Nicholas Payne.
Data is looked at by many for correlations of groups that belong together such as with autism by way of surnames and or location.
6) Data is provided for anyone with a direct line/partial direct line to Mayflower passengers through my email so as to capitalize the names in order for more clarity in my tree and find more clues or tag information that could be useful
7) Data is provided for any data involving families that could show recent racial genetic family members and they have autism vs no autism within their data
8) Data is provided to show direct lines that have high autism rates
9) Data is provided to show certain ancestors with low crossovers --Payne marriage with MF surname at mid America going back in history.
9) Data is provided to show certain ancestors with Nicholas Payne 1535 marriage to MFP and family members
10) Result are ongoing and unpredictable for now. May more expansion of the tree and DNA tree.
11) DNA tree and MFP surnames are looked at individually and each surname should reach to the 1620's by way of my family tree. This also needs work.......
heory to find the “Why” in Autism
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Copyright of my massive tree with Ancestry.com is probably not an option but it is used as a way to find answers about genetics and possibly the reason we have a particular autism in non hispanic caucasians. It is very rare to find most everyone from the 1500's to the 1700's in a family tree. It is the de Payen Tree and my 23rd Great Grandfather is Hugh de Payen. It has been expanded and contracted to allow for more accuracy. Mayflower Descendants and Ascendants website mayflowerdadepayenautismresearch.com was started in mid November 2022 but the tree has been worked on almost daily for 6 years. My direct line to the 1535 Nicholas Payne has brought about an enormous amount of relationship values to include all Mayflower Passengers. Each surname of the MFP (in my family tree) is detailed on the website under "Data". This detail can show how I relate to each MF surname/particular first name by way of my family tree or direct line. It is my passion to show that women that have children/adults with autism can see the same markers and we can label autism for this particular type of autism. My old data on the website also is looking for locations of too much dna--it is not only looking for direct lines or too much of the same DNA over 400 years but may have more to offer as the "Data" comes in. This kind of research involves not only the condensing of same birthday and death dates to one person as many times that is the case it is the adding and correction of more husbands, wives. At times parents are corrected by comparison. Looking at each name in the family tree "Data" and finding JP or HP for mid America may tie to more Paynes such as a connection of Nicholas Payne 1535 and this is within one surname. Believing that too much of the same DNA over 400yrs can be a cause of inbreeding is the theory. This is an excellent tree to find out answers/follow theory to possible truths about the "why" of autism for certain families. An example is working with Alden's and clicking each name of the family tree--providing information of how you are related according to your direct line. Mine is of the Payne’s. The software from Ancestry.com provides a way to see my personal name at the bottom for the MFP relative and/or surname. Starting with Alden's, there is one that is my 14th GGF and I do not have to ask or pick up a book. This provides an answer as to how I will group this at a later time. Grouping by location and by finding out if the surname is doubled/tripled by way of high dna or close relationship. Many times in the past people married again within the same families and looking at the relationships of each "Data" the surnames can be maybe only two. This means that there could be less crossovers/more concentration of that married couple (grouped dna) in the past. The landing in 1620 and the stationary landing in the mid westward expansion can lead to more of a concentration if they are the same DNA families, For theory/research this non recent racial genetic difference that is not available during mid western expansion may have triggered Autism much like the article written by __________________________________________ Smithsonian Institute about people in the 1600's noting this is an opportunity for too much of the same DNA.
Placing the closest direct line such as my HP 1799.... Paynes (will be different for each person's direct line) next to the MFP relative or surname. At some point we need mother volunteers especially if they have direct line or somewhat of direct lines to the 1620 MFP/surnames. At some point if I am not getting help from AutismSpeaks research/funding and I am still working on my own--there is another way. My DNA family could be given their direct lines through there MFP surnames by way of what I have and in turn I could find out where they fit with the "Data" I will have.
Questions would be given more openly if I can give them something. My questions would be --Autism in the family and any recent racial genetic differences in any of your current family members.
The past studies for why we have autism have failed and with this project I feel it has a better chance of being the answer. It is my passion to find information that is “like” to my data and see the “why” of Autism.
Believing--Believing that if 1000 women whose surname/maiden name is Alden.... to the 1620's and that they go through the process of finding the closest direct line ancestor of each Alden... the end results will be--90% at the time of mid America Western Expansion.This Belief/theory to autism is termed "Payenism", a condition of inbreeding. Autism for this type is the inbreeding of the same DNA not only once but twice. The first time many people of the same background chose a set of people to have families would be in the 1600's, the second time of the same background DNA families would be in mid America in the 1800's. The 90% of my process of finding the closest direct line ancestors are shown in my "Data" below. The 90% of my NP, JP, HP, JRogers, JClarks are showing up for each Alden..... meaning that the relationship for each Alden, Allerton.... has a 90% chance of having th closest relationship to my ancestor of mid-America time and place. This is where our DNA has a problem--the problem of capturing too much of the same DNA to cause this type of Autism.
This theory to answer will be likely come from families that will want to expand their own family tree to find the answer. There are concerns: such as no one will partake in finding their unique research (find close relatives in each Alden....)and autism will grow without regards to this genetic process of understanding/finding answers. Hippa Laws and the inability to see other data for those that have direct lines/close direct lines provide an inability to find truths. The best I can do is copyright the way to find information, the process and understanding of what I am finding.
RN: In an article "Neuroscience News--January 12 2023 RisK of Autism Associated with When and Where Forebears Lived" epidemilogists-medical detectors look at a few families to see if environmental factors play a part in time and space specifically to paternal lines. My research is about genetic and time/space risk factors that lead to Autism. The risk being too much of the same DNA. It is frustrating to think that I have to do this on my own. There should be some help! There should be someone that is proficient in looking at multigenerational time-space cluster detections, especially since I have the information. So I need a transgenerational epigenetic risk professional to help with finding more answers--the truth. Anybody out there ???
My web page: Mayflowerdadepayenautismresearch.com gives an ongoing current data of those relationship with surnames. Someday, I hope that the data will combine with other dirlect lines to show Autism. It has been less than a 2 months of research but many years to extend the tree/condense same birthdate and death date names along with adding new wives/husbands. The tree is ongoing. In research, I question everything--Does autism exist in greater numbers for those that have direct line ancestry of the 1600's--the Mayflower passengers (MP). My direct line is my father’s line of ancestry—Reno Payne 1904-1980 (Hugh De Payen is my 23rd GGF). My direct line can be/not required a baseline basically for the math of other families to find an answer to why their child has autism—specifically those that are (non-Hispanic) Caucasian. Questioning--can Ancestry add my family tree to others to find answers for other families that cannot add information. I doubt if many people have the time to find...
There are over a dozen different types of autism, this research is to find how autism is ongoing and inherited through too many of same genes/mostly direct line male variants. This fact that of all Paynes have all MFP's being in my family tree is also a fact that all MFP's have Payne's. To add the tree in ancestry and find answers to the commonalities could be a better answer as to why we have autism. It is research that is out of my scope due to the Hippa Laws that prevent personal information not to be shared and there is very little I can do for finding everyone's data with respect to their own relationship values below and above the their own unique direct line ancestor of the MFP ancestor or surname. Yes, there will be no truth but I prefer to at least write about it, create a webpage to add data, research information and copyright so we can at least try. Ha, while rates go up. There has been so many crazy reasons why, why we have autism. This one seems to have a more factual basis and can be proven with numbers and genetic data. Someday we may have genetic tracking due to this process.
If we could find volunteers that have direct male lines to the 1620's MFP and follow the same research process-- expand tree/dl ancestry with ancestry.com, look up last surnames and place.... like I have for "Alden" ................. there is a good chance that I am right about Autism being a part of too much of the same DNA over time. Since I also can see which DL ancestors are typed below with each MF surname--the counting of each NP, JP, HP JClark, JRogers can also show location (possibly around Kansas). If we have 1000 volunteers and the one's that do not have autism = recent racial genetic difference and the one's that have autism have no racial genetic difference then we have an answer.
Here are some facts about autism:
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Older women are more likely to have a child with autism—but also older women are likely to have infertility problems. IVF/IVF Gift –the rates of autism is higher. Infertility pills and pregnancy also relate to higher rates of autism. Questioning- Can infertility and autism be tied.
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The book “ “ reveals infertility and other disabilities see page and many other civilizations have left for unknown reasons.
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The genetic variants in the male line cross over at a much higher rate. Questioning if you have a direct line to old ancestry, do you also have a higher chance of same variants in your blood to contribute to the “why” in autism.
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In every person with autism there is a higher ratio for boys for every 5 persons with autism there are 4 males to every female. The male usually has more of the autism traits than the femaie.
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Autism was probably around during the early 1600’s in Massachusetts—read the Smithsonian study done in the 1600’s " ".
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Finding autism is not a needle in a haystack, it is easily found as it is common in same families.
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Finding Autism using Mayflower Surnames to show Direct/Close Descendants and relationships. These relationships have high crossovers/subsets of Mayflower Passengers over time and place in the United States.
Subsets created by location/time: The research done (see Group 2) in November 2022 --Ancestry.com and using the first only name with the surname of the MFP in my family tree provided for another name within the relationship (there were many same first names and last name of the MFP and I chose the one with the highest relationship for each same first name/last name of MFP/HP already given on the screen. The results for HPayne 1799- Children born and having a relationship with the families of the Allertons, Billingtons (Bolling, Boulin, Billing), Brewster, Cooke, Cook, Doty, Eaton, Hopkins, Mullins, priest, soule. Ther3e are some that are tied to my mother's side such as Hanna Clark Rogers 1808 and the Tillys of 1571,1599,1634 and Warren 1501. Some such as Sampson/Samson are from the Joseph Rogers 1626. Some such as the Thomas Rogers 1560 and 1598 are from the Hanna Clark Rogers 1808
This is a subset of many of the MFP in a particular time and place without the chance of having children with other genetic racial differences. They have horses but no way of meeting other people. Not everyone had the money to take the train-continental railroad in the later of the 1800's. Subsets created by location/time again: The research done (see Group2) in November 2022--Ancestry.com and using..... . The results for NPayne 1848- Children born and having a relationship with the families of the Howland, Mullins Standish, Tilly's--(this time on the fathers side), Warren--(this time on the father's side), and Winslow.
These subsets are crossed over many times due to the low amount of racial gene differences. I have direct lines to the 1620's (What other direct lines-since 5:1 ratio in boys). The crossovers are intensified in this period of time--is this the trigger? If we had information/data like mine with regaregard to families with autism--can we see the commonalities of my baseline/MFP/Payne's rlationships and determine that a very good portion of non-hispanic whites fall into this group. In other words can autism be shown if we have group effort and looking for clues that go outside the norm. The relationship values and using a baseline has not been done. In placing this on a website for all--it is my hope that it will become something. If the data shows that autism is prevalent in this way then those that have children with this background (research to show prevalence in certain DL/crossovers) then those children need not be vaccinated. My belief is that there are some children born with autism but others acquire it after the shots (around 11 months). It may be a part of the reason -- like a compromised immune system due to the abnormailites of 150+ brain cels are different (autopsies on those with autism-condition of inbreeding over time). The condition of inbreeding being defined as too many crossovers/DL (direct lines of same people).
Data Below: Data below is basically using my baseline of DL Paynes and looking up the last names of all the possible MFP in my family tree so all the Alden's.... starting with A.... and looking for other close DL of MF passengers but also to include relations to the Paynes. Example: In Ancestry.com looking at each last surname of the MFP and under the name looking at the relationship--placing the Payne with that person (surname, first name) in the Data area. It is to find clues for my thoughts/ideas about Autism and find more ... to possible truths . This may take teamwork of others/especially people who have family members with autism. It is a different way to look at how we are connected in the past and possibly why we have more of this type of Autism.
Data:
ABELL- Last name is not on MFP list but they closely tie to the MFP's.
The Aldens (close direct line Payne to direct line Alden-12th GGF) John Mayflower Alden 1598-1687-by way of John Payne 1658-1718. To include David 1646-1719 11th GGU, Henry John 1510-1567 15th GGF Elizabeth 1623-1717 11th GGA Elizabeth 1592-1638 12th GGA Joseph 1627-1697 11th GGU Mary 1638-1688 11th GGA Lydia 1652-1719 11th GGA
The 15th GGF relationship value line is as follows: John Henry 1510-1567 Richard Alden de Scrooby 1531-1598 son George Joseph Alden Aldane 1548-1620 son John Mayflower Alden 1598-1687 son Ruth Alden Aulden Bass 1637-1674 daughter Samuel Bass 1660-1751 son Samuel Bass Blodget 1700-1768 son Hanna Bass Paine 1628-1688 John Paine 1658 my DL GGF
Question--Can we say that if any of these names are on a family tree and without much recent genetic racial diversity the chances for having a child with autism will have increased ?
My direct line would be the Payne's but having close direct lines to the Alden's (1598-1687).
Below --the ones to be concerned about are 1799+ : HP 1799- /NP 1848-
My direct line could be traded for a different direct line(I do not have that information/# DL's).
Note: Group 2 Research was not done on MFP of 26-51 list so the names of Bradford, Browne, Chilton, Fisher, Fletcher, Fuller, Hurst, Jackson, Moore, Norris, and White might be included according to what I see in the same type of research as Group 2 MFP 26-51 list on my MFP paper.
ALDEN'S...
( For the sake of Group 2--Research)--- Each of the Alden's, Allerton's, Billington's, Brewster's, Cooke, Doty, Eaton, Hopkins, Howland, Mullins, Priest, Rogers, Samson, Soule, Standish, Tilley, Warren, Winslow will show date of crossover--Payne and MFP.
There is one recent racial genetic difference-my grandfather's (Lorenzo Payne born 1879) mother is from Sweden/born in Kombo Sodermanland Sverige--Karlsson
The concentration of same subset of DNA is high after the 1620's landing but also in and around Kansas (Americans going West). I cannot see many of the crossovers that happened before the 1620's and not many after the 1860's because although my family tree is massive, it has not been able to extend much into the mid 1880's. I am always extending new wives by 2 yrs younger/husbands.... due to war, disease, divorce, childbirth.. Questioning-How many other people today can follow this research to tell a story--possibly find autism because of data. How can we use the best information to find answers in other areas (Florida's rate of Autism, International ..). It will either find answers or not. Maybe someday it will be required to have knowledge of your full tree--but more importantly how you relate to others in the past and the genetic racial differences.
Math by who it is not-Math by deduction vs Math by who it could be
Research theoretical looking for truths--
ALDEN'S
1696 Abigail--NP 1848 1699-1759 Abigail NP 1848 1725-26 Abraham NP 1848 1683 Andrew JP 1658 1683 Andrew NP 1848 (same b/dd as previous with different parents) 1721-90 Andrew NP 1848 1720 Anthony NP 1848 1729-1804 Austin NP 1848 1807-1874 Azubah Harris Family 1723-96 Briggs NP 1848 1820-1902 Columbus Dew/Brightman-mom's 1690-1767 Daniel NP 1848 1720-1790 Daniel NP 1848 1753-1817 Daniel NP 1848 1702-63 David NP 1848 1646-1719 David 11th GGUncle JP 1658 1721-30 Deborah NP 1848 1802-1840 Deborah NP 1848 1708-29 Drury JP 1658 1693-1776 Ebenezer NP 1848 1755-1806 Ebenezer JP 1658 1788-1881 Ebenezer JP 1658 1734-1755 Ebenezer NP 1848 1694-1773 Eleazer NP 1848 1723-1803 NP 1848 1767-1851 Eleazer NP 1848 1592-1638 Elizabeth 12th GGAunt JP 1658 1662-1662 Elizabeth JP 1658 1623-1717 Elizabeth 11th GGAunt JP 1658 1867 Everett Chessman Dew/Brightman-mom's 1734-1820 Ezra NP 1848 1732-1767 Ezra NP 1848 1755-1836 Fear JP 1658 1696-1777 Hannah Wade NP 1848 1791-1851 Henry Bass NP 1848 1510-1567 Henry 15th GGF JP 1658 1762-1844 Humphrey NP 1848 1664-1727 Isaac Mercy NP 1848 1797-1835 Isaac NP 1848 1692-1781 Isaac NP 1848 1759-1845 Isaiah JP 1658 1714- Jabin JP 1658 1702-1766 Jemina NP 1848 1762-1813 Jesse NP 1848 1798- Jesse NP 1848 1674-1730 John NP 1848 1663-1730 John JP 1658 1718-1821 John HP 1799 1711-1729 John JP 1658 1716- John JP 1658 1698-1759 John NP 1848 1710-1712 John Briggs NP 1848 1682-1739 John/Jonathan Hallett NP 1848 1598-1687 John Mayflower 12th GGF JP 1658 1703-1704 Jonathan NP 1848 1686-1770 Jonathan JP 1658 1721-1801 Jonathan NP 1848 1627-1697 Joseph 11th GGF JP 1658 1667-1747 Joseph NP 1848 1700-1704 Joseph NP 1848 1693-1695 Joseph NP 1848 1718-1769 Joseph NP 1848 1753-1832 Joseph NP 1848 1729-1809 Joshua NP 1848 1724- Josiah V NP 1848 1760-1834 Josiah NP 1848 1738-1785 Josiah NP 1848 1714-1740 Judah Briggs NP 1848 1795-1796 Lewis NP 1848 1652-1719 Lydia 11th GGAunt JP 1658 1670- Lydia HP1799 1701- Lydia JP 1658 1730-1786 Lydia JP 1658 1752-1812 Lydia JP 1658 1696- Marcy NP 1848 1638-1688 Mary 11th GGAunt JP 1658 1699-1782 Mary NP 1848 1766-1801 Mary Harris fm line 1659-1667 Mary JP 1658 1693-1702 Mary JP 1658 1706-1787 Mary JP 1658 1692-1727 Mary marries a Brightman JP 1658 1725-1733 Mary JP 1658 1733- Mary JP 1658
1754-1818 Mary NP 1848 1710-1789 Mary JP 1658 1707-1739 Mehitable NP 1848 1687-1722 Mehitable NP 1848 1767-1830 Mercy JP 1658 1727-1807 Nathan NP 1848 1668-1702 Nathaniel JP 1658 1718- Prince JP 1658 1676- Priscilla JP 1658 1694-1727 Rachael Griggs Alden Allen NJ (John Clark-1710-1794 mom's) 1730-1807 Rebecca HP 1799 1768-1848 Ruth HP 1799 1736-1780 Salome NP 1848 1705-1785 Samuel NP 1848 1688-1781 Samuel JP 1658 1712-1757 Samuel Briggs NP 1848 1793- Samuel Rice NP 1848 1666-1681 Sarah JP 1658 1761-1817 Sarah NP 1848 1797-1865 Sarah NP 1848 1828-1883 Sarah B NP 1848 1710-1784 Seth NP 1848 1721-1779 Seth NP 1848 1741-1775 Seth NP 1848 1776- Seth NP 1848 1875- Stacy Dew/Brightman 1793-1878 Susanna NP 1848 1736-1828 Timothy NP 1848 1866- Wallace Dew/Brightman 1669-1729 William JP 1658 1697-1729 William JP 1658 1806-1900 William Seaton Harris fm line 1724-1813 Wrestling JP 1658 1673-1709 Zachariah JP 1658 1701-1736 Zachariah JP 1658 1731-1786 Zachariah Crane JP 1658 1748-1833 Zenas NP 1848
RN: If HP basically missing from above is it with another name and/or location. If... has another member of the Baseline and/or DL of my Paynes-- broken from my DL and went ? with other MF names ?
ALLERTON'S
1612-1659 Bartholomew HP 1799 1590-1590 Edward HP 1799 1553-1590 Edward Isaac HP 1799 1586-1659 Isaac HP 1799 1620-1620 Joan HP 1799 1783-1832 Rebecca JP 1658 1555- Robert HP 1799 1621-1621 Sans Norm HP 1799 1618-1678 Sarah HP 1799 1615-1655 Sarah HP 1799 1588-1633 Sarah HP 1799 1588- Thomas HP 1799 1505-1562 William HP 1799 1529-1556 William HP 1799 1616-1699 Mary HP 1799 1781- Archibald Montgomery JP 1658 1641-1690 Mary Cushman HP 1799 1612-1658 Nathaniel HP 1799 1614- Sarah Allerton Ellerton HP 1799 1614-1655 Remember Catherine Maverick HP 1799 1582-1620 Mary Norris Morris HP 1799 1530-1633 Sarah Vincent HP 1799
RN: Many Allerton's tied to the same HP/Clue to many Allerton's marrying within the same time period of the early 1800's in mid America ?
BILLINGTON'S (this also falls under Billings but Billings will be done later)
1716-1733 Abigail JP 1658 1713-1799 Daniel SP 1776 1650-1711 Dorus SP 1776 1676-1741 Elisha SP 1776 1708- Francis JP 1658 1596-1684 Francis Eaton SP 1776 1644-1709 Isaac HP 1799 1680-1741 Jane SP1776 1710- Jemima JP 1658 1719- Joseph JP 1658 1637-1684 Joseph SP 1776 1716- Joseph SP 1776 1686-1733 Mary HP 1799 1674-1694 Mary SP 1776 1720-1784 Mary SP 1776 1705-1758 Mercy JP 1658 1647-1648 Rebecca Martin SP 1776 1716-1748 Sarah JP 1658 1649-1717 Mercy Mary SP 1776 1676-1719 Francis JP 1658 1639-1717 Martha B Eaton SP 1776 1666-1728 Mercy B Eaton Sabin SP 1776 1596-1684 Francis Mayflower B ? Eaton ? SP 1776 1651-1718 Mercy Mary Mayflower SP 1776 1712-1760 Content JP 1658 1677-1716 Lydia HP 1799
RN: Only 3 HP 1799 (went to mid America)? This clue to more of a high dna for this line in mid america ?
BRADFORD's
AVERY's-
BREWSTER'S-
RN: When looking for the DL Payne and the various Brewster's in my family tree I find that there is clumping of many names in between but also some that will start out with my name. I'm not sure why--is this more of a DL for a marriage with the earliest DL Payne ? I will start using * if my name is at the bottom when looking at these relationship values. Starting with after 1792- Martin Brewster NP 1848
Question if many Paynes in between the Brewster and DL Payne name does the child =non viable birth or birth to 1-2 years. Seems a little too common?
1720- Abel HP 1799 1772-1772 Abel (many Payne/Avery/Brewster)NP 1535 1736- Abigail Harris family 1702-1739 Amie Amy NP 1848 1760-1786 Ann NP 1848 1727-1776 Anne HP 1799 1775-1840 Asa JClark mom's 5th GGF 1752 1793-1814 Asa NP 1848 1746-1750 Asaph JClark mom's 5th GGF 1752 1768-1789 Agustas (lots of Paynes, Avery, Brewster and 1 Smith/Lombard) NP 1535 1794-1816 Aurelia Lucretia JRogers mom's 4th GGF 1771 1633-1710 Benjamin Sr SP 1626 1673-1755 Benjamin FIL 6th GGUncle (12 Paynes/1 Brewster) JP 1658 1697- Benjamin BIL 6th GGUncle (12 Paynes/1 Brewster) JP 1658 1713-1782 Benjamin NP 1848 1688-1752 Benjamin JClark mom's 5th GGF 1752 1796-1882 Benjamin NP 1848 1702-1740 Bethia JClark... 1800-1885 Betsey JRogers mom's 4th GGF 1771 1798-1838 Betsey NP 1535 (many Avery/Payne/1 Lombard/Smith/1 Brewster) 1747-1827 Caleb NP 1848 1828-1894 Caroline Maria JRogers mom's 4th GGF 1771 1843-1908 Charles KIngman (many Payne/B only) JP 1658 1711-1771 Comfort (12 Paynes/2 Brewsters) BIL 6th GGUncle JP 1658 1745-1822 Comfort (12 Payne/4 Brewster/1 Smith) JP 1658 1771-1815 Comfort (12 Payne/4 Brewster/1 Smith) JP 1658 1666-1735 Daniel JClark mom's 5thGGF 1752 1687-1756 Daniel JClark mom's 5th GGF 1752 1590- Daniel JClark mom's 5th GGF 1752 1714-1749 Daniel BIL 6th GGU (12 Payne/2 Brewsters) JP 1658 1751-1776 Daniel (12 Payne/3 Brewster) JP 1658 1662-1748 Daniel NP 1848 1694-1753 Daniel JClark mom's 5th GGF 1752 1780-1835 Daniel JClark mom's 5th GGF 1752 1781-1817 Daniel (12 Payne/4 Brewster/1 Smith) JP 1658 1721-1812 Daniel NP 1848 1705- Darius HP 1799 1764-1846 Darius NP 1848 1723-1752 David NP 1848 1664-1666 Deborah (many B/Williams) JClark 1752 mom's 1721-1802 Deborah NP 1848 1728-1752 Deborah JClark mom's 5th GGF 1752 1680-1738 Deliverance -Harris Family 1719-1757 Desire JClark mom's 5th GGF 1752 1728- Dorothy JClark mom's 5th GGF 1752 1713-1739 Ebenezer JClark mom's 5th GGF 1752 1676-1698 Ebenezer NP 1848 1766-1848 Ebenezer (12 Payne/4 Brewster/1 Smith) JP 1658 1724-1805 Elijah JClark 1752 mom's.. 1732-1732 Elijah (5 Paynes..)HP 1799 1731-1755 Elijah (5 Payne/4 Hammond/7 Cook..) HP 1799 1733-1801 Elisha (5 Payne/Luther/Abell) HP 1799 1755-1833 Elisha (12 Payne/5 Brewsters) JP 1658 1790-1790 Elisha (18 Payne/5 Avery/3 B/1 Smith) NP 1535 1809-1878 Elisha (many Payne/B) JP 1658 1834-1835 Elisha (many Payne/B) (2 died early in this family-there s/b a study) JP 1658 1832- Eliza Morse JRogers 1771 mom's 1732-1776 Elizabeth JClark 1752 mom's 1772-1811 Elizabeth (many Payne/B/only 1 Smith) JP 1658 1731-1810 Ephraim (many Payne/3 B) JP 1658 1743-1773 Eunice M LIncoln 1686 1701-1749 Eunice JClark 1752 mom's 1804-1882 Ezra JRogers 1771 mom's 1692- Fear HP 1799 1648 Fear JClark 1752 mom's 1709-1768 Francis (many B/Williams..) JClark 1752 mom's 1817-1906 Francis Augustus (many Payne/Avery..)NP 1535 1768-1828 Francis Gilbert (many Williams) JClark 1752 mom's 1809-1856 Francis Gilbert (from NJ many Brewsters(B)/Williams/Clark/Rogers) JClark 1752 mom's 1798-1800 George (only Payne/B) JP 1658 1800-1865 George (many Payne/B..) JP 1658 1785-1869 George (B/Abell/Luther/Hammond) HP 1799 1820-1863 George (many Williams) JClark 1752 mom's 1729-1735 Hannah (many Williams/B) JClark 1752 mom's 1737-1748 Hannah (B/Abell/Luther/Hammond/Payne) HP 1799 1740- Hannah (many Payne/3 B) JP 1799 1775-1777 Hannah (12 Payne/4 B) JP 1658 1752-1832 Hannah NP 1848 1528- Hannah Harris Family 1698-1761 Hannah JClark 1752 mom's 1710-1757 Hannah (many Cooks) HP 1799 1732-1752 Hannah JClark (many Williams) 1752 mom's 1847-1849 Helen Ellen Eugenia (all B/Paynes) 1841-1847 Helen F JosRogers 1771 4th GGF mom's 1788-1814 Horace (many B/Williams) JClark 1752 mom's 1795-1797 Horace (Bisbee/Oldham or Oldman) JRogers 1771 mom's 4th GGF 1727-1810 Isaac HP 1799 1769-1831 Jabez (many Williams) JClark 1752 mom's 1715-1755 James (Cook/Hammond) HP 1799 1747-1835 James (many B/Williams) JClark 1752 mom's 1815- James from NJ (many B/Williams) JClark 1752 mom's 1697-1711 Jerusha (many Williams/B) JClark 1752 mom's 1710-1711 Jerusha (many Williams/B) JClark 1752 mom's 1738-1752 John (many Williams/B) JClark 1752 mom's 1717-1801 John (many Payne/Averys) NP 1535 1552-1622 John Harris Family (many Fullers) 1705-1778 John (many Williams/B) JClark 1752 mom's 1766-1835 John (many Payne/Averys) NP 1535 1756-1763 John (many Williams) JClark 1752 mom's 1775- John (all Payne/B/1 Smith) JP 1658 1670-1672 John (mostly B/Williams) JClark 1752 mom's 1695-1776 John (mostly Williams) JClark 1752 mom's 1795-1868 John (mostly B/Abell/Luther) HP 1799 1767-1834 John Otis (mostly Williams) JClark 1752 mom's 1720-1750 Jonah (Cook/Hammond) HP 1799 1766-1852 Jonah (all Payne/B only) JP 1658 1664-1704 Jonathan JClark 1752 mom's 1593-1659 Jonathan JClark 1752 mom's 1734-1800 Jonathan (mostly Payne/Brewster) JP 1658 1705-1766 Jonathan BIL 6th GGUncle (many Payne/3 B) JP 1658 1759-1841 Jonathan (all Payne/4 B) JP 1658 1737- Jonathan HP 1799 (Cook..) 1705- Jonathan JClark 1752 (Williams..) 1694-1753 Jonathan JClark 1752 (Williams/B) 1629-1710 Jonathan Benjamin SP 1629 (Payne..) 1693-1767 Joseph JClark 1752 1765-1814 Joseph JClark 1752 (B/Williams..) 1698-1770 Joseph JClark 1752(Williams..) 1800-1804 Josiah JClark 1752 (many B/Williams) 1882-1957 KIngman JP 1658 (only B/Paynes) 1919-1988 Kingman JP 1658 (only B/Paynes) 1727-1727 Lemuel JClark 1752 (Williams/Williams w/B) 1729-1774 Lemuel JClark 1752(B marries B William/Wm w/B) 1743-1750 Levi JClark 1752 (Williams/B..) 1744-1777 Lois NP 1848 1787-1875 Louisa JP 1658 (many Paynes/B 1 Smith) 1654- Love JClark 1752 1611-1650 Love Lovi NP 1848 1727- Lucretia JP 1658 (all Paynes/only 3 B) 1809-1826 Lucy JRogers 1771 mom's 4th GGF (Rogers/Oldham/Bisbee) 1772-1777 Lydia JP 1658 (many Paynes/5 B) 1795- Mariah Farley JP 1658 (Paynes/B) 1792- Martin NP 1848 1684-1716 Mary * NP1799 (Payne/Hammond/Luther/Abell) 1740-1795 Mary * HP1799 (Payne/Hammond/Luther/Abell) 1745-1798 Mary * JP1658 (many Paynes/3B) 1707-1767 Mary JClark 1752 (Williams/B..) 1762-1805 Mary * NP 1535 (Payne/Avery/B/SmithLombard) 1720-1804 Mary JClark 1752 1703-1760 Mary * JP 1658 1831-1920 Mary JClark 1752 (B/Williams) 1834-1836 Mary JRogers 1771 (Bisbee/Oldham/Sproat/Oldham again..) 1747-1749 Mehitable * JP 1658 (all Paynes/3 B) 1772-1806 Mehitable * JP 1658 (all Paynes/5 B) 1778-1852 Melinda * JP 1658 (many Paynes/B only/1 Smith) 1769-1809 Mosis JRogers 1711 (Bisbee/Oldham..) 1805-1849 Moses JRogers1771 (Bisbee/Oldham..) 1664-1748 Nathaniel JClark 1752 (Williams/B..) 1637-1676 Nathaniel NP 1848 1664-1848 Nathaniel JClark 1752 (many Williams/B) 1790-1876 Nathaniel * NP 1535 (many Paynes..) 1755-1827 Nathaniel * NP 1535 (many Paynes..) 1709-1719 Nehemiah * JP 1658 (many Paynes/2 B) 1738-1751 Nehemiah * JP 1658 (many Paynes/3 B) 1776- Oliver JClark 1752 (Williams/B ..) 1829- Orrin Oren Owen Carver * NP 1535 (many Paynes...) 1832-1892 Orson * NP 1535 (many Paynes..) 1797-1889 Osmin JRogers 1771 1700-1797 Patience * HP 1799 (Payne/Luther/Abell..) 1769- Paul * JP 1658 (all Payne/4 B) 1717-1801
RN: Question: If a list could be made of all surnames (first name also) with the asterisks' value/time and we could find mother's/grandmother's whose direct lines/surnames that link to those people/group--then, this is the group I would like to see if they have a high probability of having autism in their families with little or no racial genetic differences. May show high prob without racial genetic difference and low probability for racial genetic difference. Astericks meaning my name to middle in time specific Payne to the MF surname in my family tree at Ancestry.com Which is 2 crossovers of Paynes and 2 crossovers of MF surname. Maybe I am getting closer to finding something from data(there are 2 payne's Reno Payne and JP or HP or NP and also 2 MF same surnames)?
1717-1801 Peleg * JP 1658 (Payne/Bass....) 1753-1812 Peletah JClark 1752 1750-1850 Pelham * HP 1799 (Payne,Luther,Abell) 1845- Pemabe * NP1535 (many..Paynes/Avery) 1803-1882 PHebe * NP 1535 (many Paynes/1 Dimmock/B) 1788-1821 Pleiades * NP 1535 (many Paynes, 2 Dimmock) 1835- Primta * NP 1535 (many Payne & Avery) 1690-1720 Priscella JClark 1752 (many Williams) 1664-1741 Rebecca * NP 1848 (Bradford, B...) Continued after Research Notes-see below
RN: Great I can find my high DNA/label of GGF... for each surname of the MFP but what is concerning for this research--Finding only 2 maybe 3 surnames in the line of relationships. Meaning for my direct line I see my name then many Payne's and one other name like Brewster. This may show a low DNA/label of not much of a relationship for myself but it is the ones that are important for research--less surnames. The less surnames the more of a dna structure for the paternal line. I plan to create this special group of people/surnames of MFP so we can find Autism.
RN: 4:1 ratio boys to girls by way of paternal line carries variants to male easier, may be easier for the male to receive the direct line of same set of DNA scenario (a type of inbreeding of same DNA over 400 yrs). Question: If NP1535 is in the data for many of the MFP surnames and it is correlated to the mother's (family tree developed) of children who have autism in New Jersey then can we see a common marker(my data with their data processed). Common markers would be for those in NJ vs HP and JP (those that are in mid America having children with same sets of DNA). Can location and my Data show why ? Can we make a list of the NP 1535 .... and tie to family tree of women who have had children with Autism in New Jersey. New Jersey has a rate of 1 out of 15 children of having autism, while the rest of the country median rate is of 1 out of 45 but it is ever rising. Would autism in New Jersey look different because there may be more of a chance of the old line of surnames due to the connection of NP1535 which is connected to earlier times (times of relations with other earlier ..... possibly more of a multiplier in that area.
RN: If Florida and New Jersey (most Payne's were from NY) but travel could have placed the old Ancestors in Florida and New Jersey (hope to see NP1535 Nicholas Payne my GGF by way of processing/this research method in those states).
RN: If I have 256 people(common ancestors), abt 2300 dna family and abt 5000 in my family tree that tie to the names of Alden through Tripp--this project will be long. How volunteer to match with same lines such as Brewsters... in their family tree should match up to the NP1535 or JP/HP so I can at least take a note of who is responding and how they fit into locations/MFP surnames. Then at least I may have some people that would be good candidates for the volunteer list to find....
There are so many more in the family tree such as about 5000 just of Alden, Brewster, Bradford, Burnap, Chilton, Clark, Cleveland, Cook.. , Eaton, Fuller, Kendall, Lombard, Rogers, Smith and Tripp. This truly uses my data skills and is a lifelong commitment to expand and contract a one Tree :)
RN: It is strange/funny that in ECD I see the "a" antecedent "b" behavior and "c" consequence as a way to look at the "why" in problems for my upper level behavioral classes at ASU. I find a way to exercising all three as a way to reduce each--It is a play with children to replace bx such as high pitch tones with growls in the "Lion, Tigers..... " child's play to exercise ABC. In a sense this same kind of exercise with time (the a) , how DNA plays off others (the bx) and the C consequence is also different by way of groups and lines of data(which is actually people) develop many facts/outcomes.
Question: If the extensive tree developed is my trademark used for processing my copyright of various information by way of DNA correlation/DNA like algebra math then it could equal to a patent which is how to show Autism. Can I own the trademark since it is extraordinary and bullt by my hard work and also work to process the data in a way not known (copyright) to find this DNA correlation to Autism (A Patent)? And many more to come? Is it a possibility?
RN: There are more surnames that need to be processed the same way( and that data to show more extensive data)--with RV correlation from the Paynes direct line. They are given in the Data that I am now processing.
1542-1596 Richard Harris Family 1525-1570 Robert Harris Family 1494-1540 Robert Harris Family 1552-1623 Robert Harris Family 1806-1871 Robert from NJ JClark 1752 (many Williams, B) 1770-1835 Royal * JP 1658 1740- Ruth * JP 1658 (many Payne, B3 only) 1711-1807 Ruth * NP 1535 (many Paynes, Dimmock, B3) 1763-1826 Samuel JClark 1752 Williams... 1790-1806 Samuel from NJ JClark 1752 ( Williams... B...) 1708-1776 Samuel * NP 1535 (many Paynes, Dimmock, B4), 1681-1743 Sarah *HP 1799 1745-1747 Sarah Harris Family 1721-1810 Sarah * JP 1658 1700-1736 Sarah * JP 1658 1782-1785 Sarah JP 1658 1832-1874 Sarah * JP 1658 (many Paynes, B only) 1775-1841 Silas * JP 1658 1725- Simeon Simon * JP 1658 1751-1841 Simon * JP 1658 (many Paynes, B only) 1795-1800 Sophia * JP 1658 1772-1772 Sophia * JP 1658 ? 2 moms ? 1840-1865 Sophronia KIngman * JP 1658 (only Paynes, B) 1804-1847 Stephen Coffin * JP 1658 1735- Sybil JClark 1752 (many Williams..) 1786- Sybil * NP 1535 (MANY Paynes, Dimmock 2, B) 1845- Syvia JClark 1752 (many Williams & B) 1812-1897 Theron JClark 1752 1867- Theron D JClark 1752 (many Williams, B) 1729-1815 Thomas * HP 1799 1656-1747 Timothy JClark 1752 (many Williams..) 1660- Timothy JClark * NP 1535 (many Williams..) 1725-1727 Truelove Harris Family 1736-1757 Truelove Harris Family 1760-1840 Truelove Trodore * NP 1535 (many Paynes, Dimmock 2, B3) 1596-1609 Unnamed Harris Family 1669-1728 William Wm * HP 1799 (Hammond Luther Abell)
RN: Since not many people will respond to questions about if they have autism in their family... I need to start a secondary research that will show high direct lines coming from mother's that tie to the JP 1658 and HP 1799. I can go into my "Data" names and see less crossovers looking back in timeline(less surnames more concentration of the surname--4:1 Boys/more male variants on direct line surnames) and use this to ask questions to my common ancestors DNA family but also my family tree with surnames (maybe about 3000). Verification is important--verifying the dna family with data along with high direct lines should be a good answer if the probability or % is around 70% I'm not sure since I am not a professional researcher.
To spell this out--the JP1658 on each data is tied to a particular person that had a type of relationship --shown on Ancestry.com under each surname of the MFP so I would take that person or any other person above to reach the particular "data surname" and see if it is a woman and that there are less surnames as I am now recording in my "Data". Ex: many Williams.
RN: NEED to place maiden name first for all women in ever expanding family tree so I can get the RV process(es) done with more people of that particular surname/person.
Concern: It is kind of a mystery or maybe just the way the Ancestry.com software works but the Payne direct line person that marries X in the surname MFP changes and it may be due to the constant merging of same bday/dd of same people within my tree(expanding but also contracting). Since I cannot see this change of say NP 1535 to JP1658 or whatever it is I am viewing this as a second landing of the same DNA but Ancestry is picking up a more current relationship. The way to find out is to keep a record of NP 1535 in a separate notebook for the surnames that I have done/will be doing. I want to find answers as to the changes and possibly the way relationship (lines) (1 vs another) look in difference for the same surname/first name of the MFP as I go along. I will be making past updates for this in a notebook and placing results after the "Data" surnames done. Asking--Is this 2 Paynes and 2 Brewster within this MFP/family member MFP surname/first name. Is there a high amount of DNA for this particular MFP/family member surnames. In future research one Brewster could be seen as relating a past Brewster in many different ways, it just the software is not set up for this kind of DNA math. The direct lines are not placed. I have a current notebook on written "all MFP/MFP surnames of Aldens and will create from that just NP 1535 notebook. I like finding the nitty gritty :) If it is to be found/useful ?
Information--NP is located with Brewsters Surnames (marrying into Paynes, Avery, Dimmock and 1 Smith/Lombard) Nicholas Payne 1535 is tying to Abel Brewster 1772-1772 Aigistis 1768-1789 Betsey 1798-1838 Elisha 1790-1790 Francis Augustus B 1817-1906 John 1717-1801 John 1766-1835 Mary 1762-1805 Nathaniel 1790-1876 Nathaniel 1755-1827 Orrin Oren Owen Carver 1829-? Orson 1832-1892 Pemabe 1845-? Pleiades 1788-1821 Primta 1835-? Ruth 1711-1807 Samuel 1708-1776 Sybil 1786-? Truelove Trodore 1760-1840 William 1715-1768 Lydia 1804-? Tuthill Tothill Tuthiel Dantz Sally Sarah A 1824-1833 Truelove Trodore 1760-1840 Mercy Knowles Freeman 1659-1745 Ruth C Sampson 1742-1822This may be useful as I have seen the date change to dl mid America Payne tie as I merge same person with same person same bd/dd. This happens very often.
RN: NEED to add names to MFP surnames/whatever first name in my family tree (looking for high dna family--without a use of a book or text/talk but also gathering information for my research into the "why" of autism. To spell it out I need to add other names other than the surnames of the 51 MFP because they have very strong relationship ties/marriages (I see this in mid-America marriage bonds) through the software. This research will need as much accuracy since there is always other situations (affairs, adoptions, poor recordkeeping, my errors...). The names I currently will add would be: Abell, Avery, Bass - Blodgett, Dimmock, Hammond, Lombard and Luther.. I am sure there will be more. If there are millions of direct descendants try adding all these names/correlations.
William Brewster 1683-1768 JClark 1752 William 1566-1644 Harris William 1625-1723 JClark 1752 William 1540-1583 Harris William 1581-1624 Harris William 1722-1726 HP 1799 (Luther Hammond Abell) William 1764-1789 JP 1658 (Bass Alden Seabury) William 1730-1793 HP 1799 GN wife 7thGGU (Hammond Luther Abell) William 1715-1768 NP 1535 (Payne Dimmock) William 1789-1852 NP 1848 William Augustus 1791-1856 JP 1658 William Ezra 1843-1863 JRogers 1771 William F 1795-1879 JP 1658 GGN W 6thGGU William Mansfield 1726-1729 HP 1799 (Hammond Luther Abell) William Manfield 1729-1793 HP 1799 (H L A) Wrestling 1724-1810 NP 1848 Wrestling 1644-1696 HP 1799 (Hammond Cooke) Wrestling 1594-1636 Harris Wrestling 1650-? JClark 1752 Wrestling 1728-? HP 1799 (H L A) Wrestling 1694-1767 HP 1799 (H L A) Zadock 1742-1811 NP 1848
RN: I am at a war to find how to copyright or protect my creative works which is my Family Tree-it is beyond just a family tree and has been diligently worked on for years. For another process (other than "Data" RV vs RV of Paynes there is a way to look at history/dates and find information about the 2 landings/2 sets of example Brewsters with Paynes/high dna persons/high direct lines-too much of the same surnames without others. The process is creating a line/draw a line and place all Brewsters from the "Data" in correct order with the direct line family to include cousins.. The second line/draw line would include same but also alongside the name of the Payne that has relations. There is not proof that 2 dates exist within a line such as NP 1535 and JP 1658. It is a belief that sometimes NP 1535 shows up because I have not been able to merge every person within to make a 100% condensed tree--it is getting closer all the time. I am guessing there are 2 or more dates/locations within almost direct lines to show this. The software is picking up on the closest Payne direct line for their information but both are correct--this is my strong guess. It needs to be proven. Each of these surnames need close to direct lines and find out the answer after the "Data". This may also be a way to detail information showing more than "two landings"-same dna over and over for other processes/numbering system for families that have autism. Good idea this started in my 60's --don't want to intrude into the 1800's.... Wish I could get a grant to find this group of people that have.... and the study could start now. A study to find information from them to correlate with what I have and will have.
Here are the rest of the Brewsters-with marriage names .. (they are at the end of my family list tree using Brewster in the surname box
Lydia ? 1804- ? NP 1535 (Paynes Dimmock) John Jonathan 2dd 1774 1717 1701-? JP 1658 (Paynes) BIL 6th GGU Mary Ann Griswold Fitch 1660-1750 Stephen Paine my 8th GGF 1629 W B B William Love b?1625 1645-1723 NP 1848 Tuthill Tothill Tuthiel Dantz Sally Sarah A 1824-1833 NP 1535 (Payne Dimmock) Mary Huntington 1692-1749 NW 7th GGU HP 1799 Truelove Trodore 1760-1840 NP 1535 (Payne Dimmock) Ruth Adgate 1671-? SP 1629-1677 Hannah Alden Soule 1689-1763 JP 1658 Fear Allerton 1603-1634 HP 1799 Sarah Bartlett 1634-1691 NP 1848 Mary Biggs 1725-1804 GNW 7th GGU HP 1799 Mary Bingham 1712-1768 JP 1658 Martha Bisbee Bisber 1802-1878 JRogers 1771 Elizabeth Bradford 1690-1741 HP 1799 (many Cooke Hammond..) Mary Branch 1735-1825 NOW 6th GGU JP 1658 (Paynes) Margaret Brister Winner 1774-? JP 1658 John Bruster 1697-1766 Harris Jonathan Bruster 1685-1753 Jp 1658 Ruth Bruster 1700-1772 NOW 7th GGU HP 1799 Mary Johnson Bruster 1726-1815 WKIL 6th GGA JP 1658 (Payes Johnson) Eunice Chauncey Dayton 1701-1749 NOW 7th GGU HP 1799 Elizabeth Christophers 1637-1708 JClark 1752 Ann Coy 1662-1715 SP 1629 Hannah Crandall 1718-1762 HP 1799 (Paine Hammond Luther Abell) Eunice Crary 1740-1800 JClark 1752 Sarah Cutler Culley 1700-1736 JP 1658 Ruth Ann Fobes 1730-1812 JClark 1752 Hannah Freeman 1690-1750 NOW 7th GGU HP 1799 Mercy Freeman Knowles 1659-1745 NP 1535 (Payne Knowles) Sarah Elizabeth Hill 1825-1900 JP 1658 Mary Holmes 1679-1761 Harris Francis C Dr 1599-1647 HP 1799 Lydia King Clark 1738-1826 NOW 6th GGU JP 1658 (Paynes) Martha Kollock Watts 1838-1901 JRogers 1749 Lucinda Mitchell 1790-1825 JP 1658 Eliza Morse Heyward Hayward 1832-1921 JRogers 1771 John Dr 1739-1823 JP 1658 Francis Hall 1555-1632 HP 1799 Ruth L Parker Day Clarksfield 1790-1840 JClark 1752 Love Lovi William 1695-1728 HP 1799 (Hammond Luther Abell) Mary Gibbon Porter Poster 1831-1920 HP 1799 Patience Prence Love 1605-1634 Harris Jonathan ?Ichabod? 1705-1766 BIL 6th GGU JP 1658 (Paynes) Ruth C Sampson 1742-1822 NP 1535 (Payne Dimmock) Sarah Smith 1652-1679 HP 1799 Hannah Starr Morgan 1641-1711 JClark 1752 Abigail Stetson 1683-1761 HP 1799 Mary Strong 1743-1779 Harris Lucy Sophia Upham 1830-1899 JRogers 1771
End: Brewsters
RN: Best way? Find all families (autism in the family) that have (surname) straight direct lines to surnames of the 1620's and process as I have/will to find that they all relate or 90% relate and with regard to recent marrying outside the DNA pool of this kind.
RN: Misunderstanding--When asking the Mayflower Websites for direct lines of Brewster, they give me their line to their specific Brewster going back to the 1620's. I need to clarify that I am looking for many lines that involves many Brewster only's. I will need to develop this on my own. Using Excel and the "Data" of each Brewster above, the one's that tie to one line of Brewsters will be documented as I plan to allow/place the correct Payne that line of Brewster. There will be many individual lines, which all will have the last name of Brewsters. My research is based on the surname/gene variants being passed down at a higher rate(boys 4:1). I currently have about 250 Brewster's in my "Data". There are many of the surname Brewster's that can belong to a specific direct line some tie to the 1500's and some tie to the 1700's by way of relationship with the Payne family. This can be used for finding double triple... ties to the same DNA surnames such as Payne and Brewster. There may also be crossovers of direct line brewsters. With time this will just look common, I'm surprised no one has done this. Mayflower ..... is such a big thing. My goal is to find a commonality of seeing autism through genes. It involves lots of little/big projects--massive family tree and many processes.
At some point, I would like to ask everyone who is in my DNA family and has the surname of ..... (MFP plus others that have high dna ties) if they would like my massive tree to attach to theirs in exchange for coming on board for this homegrown Autism research project. Required is to answer do you have autism, how and is there any recent racial genetic difference in the family tree--meaning different other than USA white ( I happen to have GGM-Sweden Karlsson and GGM part Indian E Chandler. It seems like this 6 month project will be longer and filled with............................................................................................................................
RN: Strange? There is no term name for those born that have "true" direct lines. I will term it "true" meaning that person has a father of a MFP surname say Brewster and all GGF are Brewsters up to Mayflower Brewster. I have found the vague term of direct line really mean any zig zag line to Mayflower Brewster... It is a second project after the "Data" is in but I have already tried to ask a website for this direct line (really true direct line). I will try to clarify and that I do not need the first 150 yrs so they can remain private. Private or not because I would love to get the info on the DNA correlation to the Paynes. This True Direct Line can be played off of my 250 in the Brewsters--my family tree by way of graphics. Goal--eventually proving that high dna of those brought over in the 1620's and are in high concentrations in the Western Expansion can lead to a condition of inbreeding=1 type of Autism. There must be someone who is a true direct line for each of my surnames that I have been getting "Data" through RV process (a type of correlation math using Ancestry.com software) ????
RN: Trying to get true direct male lines from the MFP off of a Mayflower help website I joined recently. The TDML for each surname will be challenging. I found one surname in my family tree that will pathway down to the 1800's I have placed "TDML" for males in my family tree including those not given by the helper. The start was Francis Cooke Mayflower passenger-son Jacob Cooke married Damaris Hopkins. This "TDML" will allow me to generate a list and I plan to use Excell to place in date order each surname group. This will help create a TDML or close to a TDML. I am trying to tie the TDML with my family tree of surnames. Just using Ancestry records not what anyone gives me. I do place extra wives/husbands until I get a match .... or merge of same... Then again sometimes its just there but no children ties. This is helping to get a truer tree. So much merging of same....
RN: Continuing on with "Data" but I want to start a section called "The Veins of Our Ancestors" It will look at the Cookes/Cooks/Coucks of the 1620 Mayflower John Cooke and carry all of his male descendants. I have this pretty much done just in one day, sometimes the helper shows more than what I have (such as she has a listing George L Cook/Eliz Griswold for Manassah Cook/Anna Stephens--can't find Ancestry.com record). I have the next Manassah Cook in my family tree. This should be interesting as it is going off just my family tree/data from Ancestry.com. I have capitalized the first and last name with also a "TDML"--A True Direct Male Line. It will help in possibly looking for clues into genetics and Autism. Theory to Fact ? A possibility, I will certainly try, since I can.
THE VEINS OF OUR ANCESTORS--
Our Ancestors since the 1620's / Male to Male Descensions and Their Close Family Descensions
Francis Cooke Cook Couck
John Mayflower Cooke Cook Couck--male to male over 400 yrs from one person= could be 300 "Cook(e) MF TDML just in my family tree from the 1500's to to 2023. Many Cooke's are from Nova Scotia and moved to New Jersey (highest ratio of autism for N America). High chance of many TDML of surnames for each of us over the course of 400 yrs.
You then can look at other surnames of all the other TDML that will be developed and the RV you have with the highest DNA surname or strong surname relationship. There would be a problem of high crossovers over time. I will continue to show.... It's a great tree to work with :) Looking for clues.
COOK TDML, AARON JAbt 1865 - Iowa1930
COOK TDML, ABRAMabt 1833-
COOK TDML, AMOS12 December 1811 - Yarmouth, Yarmouth, Nova Scotia, Canada5 January 1897 - Yarmouth, Yarmouth, Nova Scotia, Canada
COOK TDML, ANDREW B3 August 1831 - Winchester, Cheshire County, New Hampshire, United States of America15 February 1907 - Templeton, Worcester County, Massachusetts, United States of America
COOK TDML, ARTHUR Aabt 189523 April 1993
COOK TDML, ASA ARA31 March 1794 - Kingston, Plymouth County, Massachusetts, United States of America27 December 1868 - Kingston, Plymouth County, Massachusetts, United States of America
COOK TDML, BARSTOW25 March 1772 - Kingston, Plymouth County, Massachusetts, United States of America17 September 1809 - Boston, Suffolk County, Massachusetts, United States of America
COOK TDML, CALEB15 March 1772 - Yarmouth County, Nova Scotia, Canada26 February 1853 - Yarmouth County, Nova Scotia, Canada
COOK TDML, CHARLES Wabt 1884-
COOK TDML, DAVID Aabt 1847-
COOK TDML, DONALD WHITMAN PRIVATE16 October 1918 - Yarmouth, Nova Scotia, Canada13 October 1944 - Netherlands, Pays-Bas
COOK TDML, EDWARD P1814 - New Hampshire, United States of America24 July 1892 - Huron, Des Moines County, Iowa, United States of America
COOK TDML, ELISHA W B1849 - Yarmouth, Yarmouth County, NS, Nova Scotia, Canada1925 - Yarmouth, Yarmouth County, NS, Nova Scotia, Canada
COOK TDML, ENOS27 December 1815 - Yarmouth, Yarmouth, Nova Scotia, Canada28 October 1861
COOK TDML, EPHRAIM M16 January 1837 - Yarmouth, Yarmouth, Nova Scotia, Canada8 Jan 1908 - Yarmouth, Yarmouth, Nova Scotia, Canada
COOK TDML, FRANCIS CAPT1 June 1803 - Yarmouth, Yarmouth, Nova Scotia, CanadaJune 1882
COOK TDML, FRANCIS1840 - Yarmouth, Yarmouth County, NS, Nova Scotia, Canada16 August 1863
COOK TDML, FRANCIS1795 - North Range, Digby, Nova Scotia, Canada-
COOK TDML, FRANCIS6 November 1804 - Winchester, Cheshire County, New Hampshire, United States of America27 September 1876 - Swanzey, Cheshire County, New Hampshire, United States of America
COOK TDML, FRANCIS GEORGE FRANK1827 - Yarmouth, Yarmouth, Nova Scotia, Canada1915 - Yarmouth, Yarmouth, Nova Scotia, Canada
COOK TDML, FRANK BIGELOW6 May 1863 - Nova Scotia, Nova Scotia, Canada1935
COOK TDML, FRED Wabt 1898-
COOK TDML, GEORGE CAPT28 June 1799 - Yarmouth, Yarmouth, Nova Scotia, Canada1 October 1849
COOK TDML, GEORGE1793 - North Range, Digby, Nova Scotia, Canada-
COOK TDML, GEORGE Cabt 1861-
COOK TDML, GEORGE CUNNINGHAM10 May 1871 - Nova Scotia, Nova Scotia, Canada21 November 1928 - Saint Philip, Barbados
COOK TDML, GEORGE Gabt 1896-
COOK TDML, GEORGE SAMUEL28 September 1856 - Chebogue Point, Yarmouth County, Nova Scotia, Canada6 August 1941 - Bear Point, Shelburne County, Nova Scotia, Canada
COOK TDML, GILBERT Eabt 1894-
COOK TDML, HENRY HAVELOCK1857 - Yarmouth, Yarmouth, Nova Scotia, Canada1927 - Yarmouth, Yarmouth, Nova Scotia, Canada
COOK TDML, JOHN I14 October 1786 - Yarmouth, Yarmouth, Nova Scotia, Canada14 June 1875 - Yarmouth, Yarmouth, Nova Scotia, Canada
COOK TDML, JOHN1799 - Winchester, Cheshire County, New Hampshire, United States of America13 November 1860 - Winchester, Cheshire County, New Hampshire, United States of America
COOK TDML, JOHN Jr182326 August 1865 - Winchester, Cheshire County, New Hampshire, United States of America
COOK TDML, JOHN Mabt 1857-
COOK TDML, JOSEPH24 April 1790 - Yarmouth, Yarmouth, Nova Scotia, Canadaabt 1861
COOK TDML, KING Babt 1855-
COOK TDML, MANASSAH CAPT7 October 1766 - Yarmouth, Yarmouth, Nova Scotia, Canada28 March 1855
COOK TDML, MANASSAH6 November 1811 - Yarmouth, Nova Scotia, Canada19 March 1895 - Yarmouth, N.S. Canada, Canada
COOK TDML, MANASSEH24 January 1789 - Yarmouth, Yarmouth, Nova Scotia, Canada12 September 1842 - Yarmouth, Nova Scotia, Canada
COOK TDML, MOSES PARKER18 December 1861 - Huron, Des Moines County, Iowa, United States of America13 October 1924 - Iowa, United States of America
COOK TDML, NEHENRISHabt 1866-
COOK TDML, PHILIP PHILLIP1843 - Yarmouth, Yarmouth County, NS, Nova Scotia, Canada1866
COOK TDML, ROBERT12 March 1721 - Plymouth, Plymouth, Massachusetts, USA2 September 1743 - Kingston, Plymouth, Massachusetts, USA
COOK TDML, RUSSELL Labt 1886-
COOK TDML, SAMUEL Babt 1851-
COOK TDML, SHERMAN Aabt 1892-
COOK TDML, SMYTH SMITH SITH SONYTH HATFIELD1885 - Yarmouth, Yarmouth, Nova Scotia, Canada23 Aug 1921 - Yarmouth, Yarmouth, Nova Scotia, Canada
COOK TDML, STEPHEN ALLEN3 January 1854 - Chebogue Point, Yarmouth County, Nova Scotia, Canada7 June 1942 - Chebogue Point, Yarmouth County, Nova Scotia, Canada
COOK TDML, THOMAS1860-
COOK TDML, THOMAS21 September 1787 - Winchester, Cheshire County, New Hampshire, United States of America15 February 1873 - Winchester, Cheshire County, New Hampshire, United States of America
COOK TDML, THOMAS CUTLER20 August 1828 - Guysborough, Guysborough, Nova Scotia, Canada26 August 1897
COOK TDML, THOMAS WHITMANabt 1855-
COOK TDML, VERNEN VERNON L SMYTH6 June 1909 - Central Chebogue, Yarmouth County, Nova Scotia, Canada1996
COOK TDML, VICTOR PINKNEY1915-
COOK TDML, WALLACE1830 - Yarmouth, Yarmouth, Nova Scotia, Canada-
COOK TDML, WALTER17 June 1815 - Rockville, Yarmouth County, Nova Scotia, Canada25 March 1897 - Revere, Suffolk County, Massachusetts, USA
COOK TDML, WALTER Wabt 1902-
COOK TDML, WELLINGTON S3 January 1869 - Argyle, Yarmouth, Nova Scotia, Canada1885 - Little River, Yarmouth, Nova Scotia, Canada
COOK TDML, WILLIAM A H Capt1857 - Yarmouth, Yarmouth, Nova Scotia, Canada16 November 1895 - Yarmouth, Yarmouth, Nova Scotia, Canada
COOK TDML, WILLIAM BEALE28 March 1818 - Yarmouth, Yarmouth, Nova Scotia, Canada1880 - New Orleans, Louisiana, USA
COOK TDML, WILLIAM Habt 1884-
COOK TDML, WILLIAM JAMES COLEMAN15 July 186721 May 1925
COOK TDML, WILLIAM Rabt 1863-
COOK TDML ? Bdates ?, STEPHEN ALLEN3 January 1854 - Chebogue Point, Yarmouth County, Nova Scotia, Canada7 June 1942 - Chebogue Point, Yarmouth County, Nova Scotia, Canada
COOK TDML ??, JOSEPH ? JOHN ?5 October 1834 - Yarmouth, Yarmouth, Nova Scotia, Canada26 October 1920
COOK TDML date says 1791, JOSEPHabt 1812 - North Range, Digby, Nova Scotia, Canada-
COOKE TDML, ABNER4 Mar 1755-
COOKE TDML, AMOS3 January 1749 - Kingston, Plmth, MA, Massachusetts, USA14 December 1754 - Kingston, Plymouth, MA, Massachusetts, USA
COOKE TDML, BENJAMIN18 May 1729 - Kingston, Plmth, MA, Massachusetts, USA25 December 1799 - Kingston, Massachusetts, USA
COOKE TDML, CALEB1695 - Plymouth, Plymouth, MA, Massachusetts, USA19 August 1762 - Kingston, Plymouth, MA, Massachusetts, USA
COOKE TDML, CALEB17 Apr 169715 Mar 1724 - Kingston
COOKE TDML, CALEB4 July 1727 - Kingston, Plmth, MA, Massachusetts, USA26 September 1756
COOKE TDML, CHARLES4 October 1717 - Plymouth, Plymouth, Massachusetts, USA29 March 1768 - Kingston, Plymouth County, Massachusetts, United States of America
COOKE TDML, CHARLES1608 - England, England, United Kingdom7 August 1629 - England, England, United Kingdom
COOKE TDML, CHARLESabt 1895-
COOKE TDML, CLARANCE SAbt 1871 - New Jersey-
COOKE TDML, CONSIDER Sr4 February 1745 - Kingston, Plymouth County, Massachusetts, United States of America20 April 1819 - Hardwick, Warren County, New Jersey, United States of America
COOKE TDML, DAMARIS ( TWIN )23 May 1703 - Kingston, Plymouth, Massachusetts, USA16 November 1774 - Pembroke, Plymouth, Mass, Massachusetts, USA
COOKE TDML, DAVIDabt 1949 - New York-
COOKE TDML, DONALD ALAN Allenabt 1938 - New Jersey4 May 2005 - Troy, Bradford County, Pennsylvania, United States of America
COOKE TDML, EDWARD1607 - England, England, United Kingdom1 December 1609 - England, England, United Kingdom
COOKE TDML, ELISHA10 March 1716 - Plymouth, Plymouth County, Massachusetts, United States of America2 Nov 1799 - Hardwick Twp., Sussex, New Jersey, USA
COOKE TDML, ELKANAH1750 - Kingston, Plmth, MA, Massachusetts, USA1751 - Kingston, Plymouth, MA, Massachusetts, USA
COOKE TDML, EPHRAIM Capt1 June 1737 - Kingston, Plmth, MA, Massachusetts, USA17 November 1821 - Central Chebogue, Yarmouth, Nova Scotia, Canada
COOKE TDML, FRANCIS1690 - Bridgewater, Plymouth, Massachusetts, USA4 May 1724 - Kingston
COOKE TDML, FRANCIS1726 - Plymouth, Plymouth, Massachusetts, USA17 October 1762 - North Bridgewater, Plymouth, Massachusetts, USA
COOKE TDML, FRANCIS25 July 1757 - Kingston, Plymouth County, Massachusetts, USA7 December 1842 - Winchester, Cheshire County, New Hampshire, USA
COOKE TDML, HENRY SILVERTHORN14 March 18147 July 1880
COOKE TDML, ISAAC18 March 1732 - Kingston, Plmth, MA, Massachusetts, USA1736
COOKE TDML, JACOB1618 - Leyden, Pays-Bas17 December 1675 - Plymouth, MA, Massachusetts, USA
COOKE TDML, JACOB II26 March 1653 - Plymouth, Plymouth, Massachusetts, USA24 April 1747 - Kingston, Plymouth, Massachusetts, USA
COOKE TDML, JAMES19 Aug 1700-
COOKE TDML, JAMES7 September 1772 - New Jersey, United States of America28 October 1845 - Warren County, New Jersey, United States of America
COOKE TDML, JOHN JR23 May 1703 - Kingston, Plymouth, Massachusetts, USA8 December 1744 - Kingston, Plymouth, Massachusetts, USA
COOKE TDML, JOHN5 Feb 16836 Jul 1741
COOKE TDML, JOHN13 December 1752 - Kingston, Massachusetts, USA26 April 1795 - Kingston, MA, Massachusetts, USA
COOKE TDML, JOHN14 May 1785 - Kingston, MA, Massachusetts, USA24 Mar 1799
COOKE TDML, JOSEPH28 Nov 1703-
COOKE TDML, JOSIAH14 May 1699 - Kingston, Plymouth, Massachusetts, USA18 September 1752 - Tolland, Tolland, Connecticut, USA
COOKE TDML, LEVI29 April 1748 - Taunton, Bristol County, Massachusetts, United States of America21 June 1821 - Hardwick, Warren County, New Jersey, United States of America
COOKE TDML, NATHAN13 June 1775 - Warren County, New Jersey, USA4 October 1850 - Warren County, New Jersey, USA
COOKE TDML, NATHAN24 May 180718 March 1874
COOKE TDML, RICHARD1578 - England, England, United Kingdom-
COOKE TDML, ROBERT16 April 1693 - Kingston, Plymouth County, Massachusetts, United States of America20 January 1732 - Kingston, Plymouth County, Massachusetts, United States of America
COOKE TDML, ROBERT MILTONabt 1929 - New Jersey-
COOKE TDML, SAMUEL PAbt 1861 - New Jersey1925
COOKE TDML, SAMUEL Pabt 1898-
COOKE TDML, SILVANUS1 May 1738 - Kingston, Plymouth, Massachusetts, USA12 November 1814 - Kingston, Plymouth, Massachusetts, USA
COOKE TDML, SIMEON1809 - New Jersey, United States of America1874
COOKE TDML, SYLVNUS1783 - Kingston, Plymouth, Massachusetts, USA-
COOKE TDML, THOMASAugust 1603 - Runham, Great Yarmouth Borough, Norfolk, England-
COOKE TDML, THOMAS30 January 1624 - Runham, Norfolk, England, United Kingdom1688 - Runham, Norfolk, England, United Kingdom
COOKE TDML, WALTER EDWARDabt 1926 - New Jersey-
COOKE TDML, WALTER S8 July 1901 - New Jersey8 March 1975
COOKE TDML, WILLIAM15 Jan 1715 - Plymouth, Plymouth County, Massachusetts, United States of America18 Apr 1731 - Kingston
COOKE TDML, WILLIAM5 October 1683 - Kingston, Plymouth County, Massachusetts, United States of America30 November 1740 - Kingston, Plymouth County, Massachusetts, United States of America
COOKE TDML, WILLIAM1582 - Suffolk, Suffolk, England, United KingdomSuffolk, Suffolk, England, United Kingdom
COOKE TDML, WILLIAM4 November 1773 - Warren County, New Jersey, USA13 January 1850 - Marksboro, Warren County, New Jersey, USA
COOKE TDML, WILLIAM7 Oct 1742 - Kingston-
COOKE TDML KNIGHT OF THE BATH THE SCHOLAR SHERIFF OF ESSEX AND HERTFORD, ANTHONY SIR TUTOR TO KING EDWARD VIMay 1504 - Gidea Hall, Romford, Essex, England, United Kingdom11 June 1576 - Gidea Hall, Romford, Essex, England, United Kingdom
COOKE TDML PIERPOINT, WILLIAM23 February 1594 - London, City of London, London, England, United Kingdom1650
COOKE TDML KNIGHT OF THE BATH THE GENERAL O, JOHN SORabt 1474 - Essex, England10 October 1516 - London (Middlesex) England
COOKE TDML KNIGHT OF THE BATH THE GENERAL O, PHILLIP PHILIP PHLIP1448 - Romford, London Borough of Havering, Greater London, England7 December 1503 - Romford, London Borough of Havering, Greater London, England
RN: I will be typing "TDML BASELINE" next to my Payne's (Father's Father's....) and "TDML" to the veins of my male to male descendants of the Payne's (Father's Father's..). Besides the "Data" project and TDML project there needs to be proof of Autism even if on a small scale. The DNA family (my DNA family tree) will be looked at for surname (I have already written about this earlier) along with other important surnames that could be useful(marriages within the MFP) to ask questions. Asking questions to members with Ancestry.com is with 3 groups 1) common ancestors/bio family group-dna 2) dna ancestors/biofamily group-dna 3) overall family tree. In return I can 1st give then a TDML list of that surname-this will help to get the project going/awareness. If I can get enough info on the connection of TDML in this type of DNA data I might be able to find strength in numbers (clues to autism). If I can label the person as a TDML then ask questions to just that group it will help. It hasn't been quite 3 months so I feel that I have learned much about expanding to find...
I would love to get some feedback to help with my project, such as if you have a tree with a TDML MFP and you have autism in your family/sister or brothers family please let me at least have a made up name(close to made up name) and contact number/email so I can document. I need to also have any information if there was a recent mom/dad... outside of the usual cacasion/USA. Basically to find information about a particular type of autism. You can email me at fehrenbacher777@gmail.com Someone needs to document all the TDML families with Hippa Laws in place.
Based on the information about the 1st TDML's done maybe "Autism Speaks" should research this project information in New Jersey (Business in New Jersey) with a concentration of families with family trees tied to the Cooks/Cookes. The ratio of autism is sky rocketing in New Jersey. Its not that there is a few TDML's but a vast amount within each person because of the past...... crossovers within 400yrs. At least we have one surname of TDML's labeled and in this website--more to come and "Data" to show time of marriage/my high dna for that surname. 5 times Autism increase in New York/New Jersey from 2000-2016 see Rutgers finds a shocking 500% increase in Autism Pediatrics January 26 2023
RN: Another way--detail my own Payne TDML's and see my DNA family tree for patterns/clues toward labeling a certain type of autism/increase percentage to show a greater possibility of theory to truth.
Payne/Paine/DePayen- Baseline listed in old notes. TDML:
This and Below are old notes as it was the beginning of finding the research .....
Direct line of any Mayflower passenger will show that there a number of crossovers at a particular time in history/place in history. Your Direct line may be the name Brewster, Alden, Cooke. My direct line is Payne. During the last month of this research I have found many crossovers of Harrison Payne in Kansas during the mid 1800's. This research involves the theory that a high DNA of Mayflower crossovers will show a higher Autism.
Finding the direct lines and crossovers are pretty easy because I have so much information in my tree. It involves going into the ancestry.com and looking at relationships of that group of surnames from all MFP. Besides showing say a 12th GGF-Alden (in maybe 1 out of 50 that I look at), it shows small crossovers in one area of time/place. The crossovers show that a small group of Paynes and ( others-will list later) regrouped in Kansas. This may be another group of the 1620's group multiplied without racial genetic diversity. This research will be trying to show how over time and with concentrated same DNA we can have an anomaly such as Autism. This next research will find all higer DNA for the Paynes/Paines/Panes/DePayen and crossovers by understanding the information on the relationship button with Ancestry.com. Other surnames will be listed with b/dd place and cross overs of MFP surnames or other Paynes. Probably take 5 months using Excel... Started research around 11/22/22. Since I have every Mayflower Passenger in the family tree I should be able to pick up on mostly everyone in the MFP trees (if they exist much).
I currently have been working on expanding my DNA family/family tree. I am only interested in the paternal side and have been able to see that there are now about 14k dna matches with many common ancestors. I have over 100k in the tree--seems like so much more information as I place info everyday and merging to make a more accurate tree condensed. I have been merging same first name/last names (same person) adding women who were married again (placing 2 yrs ahead of husband) and likewise men (placing 2 yrs before the wife). Many people died early from.... The family tree is momdeborah52 Payne family it is a public tree. This website is free and access to ancestry would also be free.
My studies have been Special Education, Early Childhood Education, Curriculum & Instruction but I have been involved with the subject/studies of understanding Autism as it also is a part of our family. I received my Masters Early Childhood Development/Curriculum and Instr. at ASU and have worked in the field for over 20 yrs. About 7 years ago I started expanding on my family tree as I found out that I have a different bio dad. In my 20's and 30's I was involved with working with a high amount of data for the banking, accounting, payroll type positions. I have also worked on the Gila River Indian Reservation as an Early Intervention Specialist--Birth to Three (Ages & Stages Screener and some Evaluations) in order to get approved/services. It is my passion to see deeper into this research project. It is my hope that others will understand and possibly give more insight into the data/results. This theory could have questions from others and help to see answers about other problem solving in the area of genetics. DNA is used for crime, identity, physical anomalies and how to help. This data may help see the numbers of those that have.... and the concentration of MF or others to help in some way. It is a way to create more lines to see patterns within the lines of each person that has a disease, condition, syndrome. This is especially true if the dna is accurate and each person has the ability to chart over generations. It is a possibility to have more accurate record and try to see .....
It is a way for each person to have an expanded dna family/family tree so research can be done, possibly more discoveries can be made.
Here is my direct line-- myself 23rd GG daughter to Hugh De Payen
RR Payne 1904-1980 LP 1879-1961 NP 1848-1941 HP 1799-1866 SP 1786-1849 NP 1741-1818 SP 1716-1797 SP 1686-1745 JP1658-1718 SP 1629-1677 SP 1600-1679 MP 1580-1643 NP 1535-1616 JP 1510-1551 JP 1483-1526 SP 1450-1505 JP 1420-1463 JP 195-1439 WP 1347-1393 TP 1327-1364 THP 1285 to unknown TP 1245-1285 Hugh De Payen 1170-1136
GROUP 1: This time period is when we landed in America or the time period before 1620 (De Payen's ages are before the 1620 and they are related to the MF passengers)
John Alden which is Christopher Webb ( & married __________) ties to JP 1483-1526, John Cook Coke 1563-1644 ties to JP 1658-1718, Edward Fuller 1588-1625 ties to MP 1580-1643, Edward Fuller 1575-1621 & 1595-1620 SP 1716-1797, Constance Hopkins 1606-1677 NP 1535-1616, Richard Moore 1560-1597 & 1597-1688 SP 1600-1679.
GROUP 2: This time period is after the landing in America ( De Payen's and MF ) Showing there is a relationship with Harrison Payne 1799 and these Mayflower Passengers but not high.
HP 1799-1866 Isaac Allerton 1586-1658
HP Mary Allerton 1616-1699
HP Allerton 1616-1699
HP Remember Allerton 1614-1652
HP John Billington Bolling Boulin Billing 1615-1648
HP Francis Billington 1595-1684
HP Mary Brewster 1589-1631
HP Francis Cooke 1583-1663
HP John Cook 1615
HP John Souls Cook 1608
HP Edward Doty 1598-1655
HP Francis Eaton 1596-1684
HP Samuel Eaton 1620-1684
HP Sarah Eaton 1606-1621
HP Stephen Hopkins 1581-1644
HP Eliz Fisher Hopkins 1595-1640
HP Priscilla Mullins 1628-1692
HP Degory Priest 1529-1621
HP George Soule 1639-1704
JP 1658-1718 Francis Cooke 1561-1639
Hanna Clark Rogers 1808-88 Francis Cooke/John Hayward 1625-1710 mother's side
JP 1658-1718 John Cook Coke 1562-1644
SP 1716-1797 Samuel Fuller 1590-1626
SP 1716-1797 Samuel Fuller 1608-1683
SP 1626-1677 Stephen Hopkins 1572-?
Hanna Clark Rogers 1808-88 Giles Hopkins 1607-1690 mother's side
NP 1535-1616 Constance Hopkins 1606-1677
NP 1848-1941 John Howland 1599-1672
JP 1658-1718 Richard More/Moore 1550-?
SP 1600-1679 Richard More/Moore 1560-1597
SP 1600-1679 Richard More/Moore 1597-1688
NP 1848-1941 William Mullins 1572-1621
NP 1848-1941 ?by mrg Priscilla Mullins 1602-1688
Hanna Clark Rogers 1808-88 Thomas Rogers 1560- ? and Thomas Rogers 1598-? mother's side
Hanna Clark Rogers 1808-88 Joseph Rogers 1626-1678 mother's side
Joseph Rogers 1626-1678 Henry Rollins Sampson Samson 1604-1685 mother's side
NP 1848-1941 Myles Standish 1584-1656
NP 1848-1941 Myles Standish 1608-1663
Hanna Clark Rogers 1808-88 John Tilley 1571-1621
Hanna Clark Rogers 1808-88 John Tilley 1599-1636
Hanna Clark Rogers 1808-88 John Tilley 1634-1705
mother's side
Hanna Clark Rogers 1808-88 Joan Hurst Tilley 1568-1621 mother's side
Hanna Clark Rogers 1808-88 Eliz. Tilley 1544-1614
Eliz. Tilley 1568-1621 Eliz Tilley 1579-? mother's side
also
NP 1848-1941 Eliz. Tilley 1607 father's side
Hanna Clark Rogers 1808-88 Richard Warren 1501-?
Richard Warren 1527-? mother's side
also
NP 1848-1941 Richard Warren 1530-?
also Joseph Rogers __________ Richard Warren 1578- ? mother's side
SP 1686-1745 Wil.. White Wryght Wryghte 1533-24
JP 1658-1718 William White.. 1570-?
SP 1686-1745 William White...1591
SP 1686-1745 Susanna Jackson White 1593-1680
SP 1686-1745 Peregrine White 1620-1704
SP 1686-1745 Peregrine White 1660-727
SP 1686-1745 Resolved White 1614-1687
SP 1686-1745 Resolved White 1647-1670
SP 1686-1745 Edward Winslow 1560-?
SP 1686-1745 Edward Winslow 1595- ?
SP 1686-1745 Edward Winslow 1627- ?
NP 1848-1941 Edward Winslow 1634-?
NP 1535-1616 Edward Winslow 1605
*** used for more of a direct line from De Payen to the MF Passengers --work on next
List 1:
1 John Alden 1598-1687 12th GGF JP 1658
Note: Can all MF families that have direct lines to the same surname/MF passenger create their own information like this and DNA experts can place disease/condition/syndromes in another Ancestry.com website for medical professionals and researchers. This is another way for scientific data to expand and solve problems, become aware of the commonalities of common genes. If MF Families help to develop this and place the new information of De Payens in Group 1 will the relationships change and become more accurate. More importantly maybe those that are willing to help develop their tree and have a direct line to a MF passenger (same surname) and has diversity of other genes outside of the norm (certain people of a class/religion married same--white) can this be compared to others with mostly (certain people of a class/religion ancestry--white) Can we see some information about autism? Or....
In the future by having various direct lines to MF passengers (& De Payens) along with the relationship values (list 1) can we attach d/c/s (diseases/conditions/syndromes) to the person in a unique Ancestry.com tree Could there be someone in the medical/DNA field to see something of merit that could help with solving problem or finding more answers rather than through blood work. Could it be a secondary way to see problems involving our genetic make-up.
I will come back and edit to add more of the Paynes GGF for my direct line to De Payen's and how they are tied to other MF descendants later. Such as with List 1.
This is a new Fun Project and creates the List 2--lets try the Paternal side of the DNA family (more variants are passed down on the male genetic side). It involves contacted another member that has the same info by way of Ancestry.com search box and the matching DNA family. This Project #2 allows for more research to find information on diseases, conditions, syndromes and would allow for MF participants that do not have direct lines (same surname all the way to the 1620's) probably no one in America do no have the info on the De Payen's before 1620's in their family tree to show better relationship values/genetic research. It is a guess but probably 60% of American are related to the MF families and do not have the direct lines. To get started find a pen and notebook and place every odd looking name corresponding to the DNA person that you can find. I usually start with a higher cm and work down to 6cm. Some DNA families will have a small tree(sometimes no family tree) and keep going..... If you place these odd surnames in the search field you can find a possible match of a person with the same surname B DD. Contact them and place your relationship value and theirs. Keep going and iwth enough information you have a research project adn possibly knowing you have or have not truer ties ( family tree is close to DNA tree. Ancestry can tell you if the cm's are correct with the info you found. I found a 10th GG with someone in my DNA about 5 yrs ago. It was interesting how we can see out connections and develop more lines.
The start of Project 3 (even though I have not been able to work on List 1-holidays...) Since I have an abundance of Paynes/Paines/DePayens I will be focused on List 1 MF Passenger 1 which I am related by 14th GG (John Alden which is Christopher Webb) Can I go into the last name search and place Alden and Webb to merge-yes Can I look up by search box in my DNA paternal side the names Alden and Webb and ask if Autism is in their family-yes. First I will go and detail(expand anyway by adding possible more marriages...) for all Alden's and Webb's. This will be List 3 of names of people (using numbers to represent the person for privacy and their answers. It also allows us to see the number.
The MF DNA website gave me info 300 million today are ancestors of MF families and I was looking up pedigree collapse. Before the time of travel "Sharks Upon the Land; Colonialism, Independence, Health and Culture" pg 182 shows infertility, low viable births and death at an early age (1700-1870). Scientifically, we know that of the over 12 types of autism there are 6000 types of genes in the brain and over 100 genes in the brain are mutated (dna mutated by methylation across the entire genome at birth and also during their lifetime (a person with autism). The enzymes on the DNA can change on DNA in different levels and there is a loss of function of the genes. Does this pedigree collapse have anything to do with too much of the same DNA within a person's genetic make up. Is this tied to autism? For the research done with the brains of those that had autism the change/mutation was the gene not the chromosome.
Question-If people with autism have the special abilities to perform certain jobs or have and interest in one area of expertise that outperforms the norm then the amount of genes that are abnormal to the ratio of genes in the brain is not pervasive like for a mentally challenged individual. A good article to read--Smithsonian Magazine January 2016 "The Early History of Autism in America" -- John Donvan and Caren Zucker. Does the specific genes about 130 genes/6000 genes in the brain allow for the diversity in autism--in respect to what genes are damaged?
Continue-Project 3
The 50 other MF passengers will not be closely tied by DNA (may be some but not all). Since some of the Payne's in my DNA family were born before the families of the MF passengers I want to look at details of those MF passengers. Within the John Alden's there are many Alden's in my tree. It is taking longer because of the alias Christopher Webb. Of the 10 MF of 51 Alden is my close DNA family. John Alden 12th GGF 1598-1687. Expanding and Merging of Alden's has been done and could be detailed further at a later time. Questions for Autism and blood diversity has only been asked for the 1 out of 20 Alden's in my paternal dna. I still need to include " Webb". About a third do not give information ( so since some are maternal and paternal results should show pretty good accuracy). The problem is trying to get ancestry member to give me answers. I really don't know who they are so it pretty much is private. Later, sending the 51 MF passengers compilation with their other possible family members that I have in my tree (same last surname). I am detailing the info on them as far as how they relate to the Payne's (De Payen's) but only placing "little dna" for results instead of how related. If you need to contact me I will post something later. Yes, updating website too. Recently, I was told 10% of America is comprised of MF passengers DNA. My question would be how? It seems like the way we are connected may be more important in looking at this research--if at all it will show anything. Possibly a higher number than 10% and what percent has diversity ? What percent does not have diversity ? If groups keep marrying into the same MF families then what ? Do we get more gene mutations. Autopsies have been performed on those with autism and show over 100 genes within the specific 6000 genes within the brain have been altered/mutated--why? Does this mutation have a cause for the varied types of autism related to which gene(s) is/are affected ? Since the gene mutation occurs before birth and dna can be altered after birth throughout the life of the child/adult with autism then how does age of the mother or a healthy immune system possibly play a role?
I don't want to dig a hole in the backyard after (what I believe will happen) seeing too many "Webbs" to expand/detail/merge and look at in my paternal dna for more.... I will look at the 11-51+ passengers for a (what I believe will be) little dna/relationship value (Ancestry.com) and get started with the "Webb's" later. Hopefully this project wont go into too many MF passengers that have strong ties--its alot of work. :( Lots of data/details. I wish/hope that Project 2 could be done by some other people who have lots of info in their MF families.
Question: If we had the ability to have complete MF trees and could ask the questions (Autism/Diversity/Little Diversity-Diversity may be in the 1700/1800's) could we see a pattern of answers that tell a story--MF passengers that were a part of the Alden's/ Webb's with cross overs of Paynes (even though minute) and with Project 2 added?
Here is the relationship results from ____________________________________________________________________________________________________________________
2 Isaac Allerton 2 people in my tree HP 1799 all are minimal
3 Mary Norris Allerton 5 all HP 1799
4Bartholomew Allerton HP 1799
5Mary Allerton see #3 HP 1799
6 Remember Allerton HP 1799
7 John Billington HP 1799
8 Elinor Billington m-Moreton JP 1658
9 Francis Billington
1596-1684 HP 1799
1676-1719 JP 1658-1718
1708- ? JP 1658-1718
10 William Bradford 21 but some not included due to another reason-not in my DNA tree but used A Lincoln to expand my family tree (on moms side) to get a 100k+ in a growing tree to merge more same B/DD same person. 1503 Thomas Bradford JP 1658
William Bradford
1620 SP 1629-1677
1718 NP 1535-1616+++++
dates go up and down in relationship-Ancestry.com
1731 HP 1799
1749 HP 1799
1766 JP 1658
1795 JP 1658
1812 JP 1658
11 William Brewster 15 but more in family tree (listing only those that have relations/listing relations if they are strong
1540-1583 HP 1799
1566-1644 moms side JClark 1752-1818
1581-1624 HP 1799
1622-1719 (note this is John Freeman pilgrim name-
moms side FIL7th GGA ERogers 1694-1735
1625-1723 moms side JClark 1752-1818
1645 or 1625-1723 NP 1848
1669-1729 HP 1799
1683-1768 NP 1848
1695-1728 HP 1799
1718-1806 moms side ERogers 1694-1735
1722-1726 HP 1799
1726-1729 HP 1799
1732- HP 1799
1764-1789 NP 1535+
1791-1856 NP 1535+
1795-1879 JP 1658-1718
12 Mary Brewster
1569-1627 moms side JClark1752
1589-1631 HP 1799
1627-1698 mom's JClark 1752
1631-1711 MIL6th GGA mom's ERogers 1694
1660-1750 SP 1629-1677
1661-1742 HP 1799
1673-1746 MIL6th GGU JP 1658
1684-1716 WHW7thGGU HP 1799
1692-1749 mom's JClark 1752
1693-1743 Hp 1799
1704-1765 WBIL6thGGU JP 1658
1704-1777 W6thGGU JP 1658
1707-1767 NP 1848-1941
1726-1815 WBIL6thGGA JP 1658
1731-1811 MIL6th GGA mom's ERogers 1694
1735-1825 NW6th GGU JP 1658
1740-1795 HP 1799
1743-1779 NP 1848
1745-1798 NW6thGGU JP 1658
1762-1805 NP 1535++++++
13 Love / Lovi (male and female) Brewster
1569-1627GGMIL10x mom's JClark 1752
1611-1650 NP 1848
1654 S1c10z mom's JClark 1752
1695- pilgrim name WBrewster HP 1799
14 Peter Browne
1587-1633 NP 1848
15 James Chilton
1542- 9thGGF NP 1848
1556-1620 8th GGF NP 1848
16 Mrs James Chilton 8th GGM1564-1621 NP 1848
17 Mary Chilton
1564-1621 8thGGM NP1848
1607-1679 7thGGA NP1848
1610-1687 SG(Stephen George Payne 1686)
1628-1664 1c8x NP 1848
18 Francis Cooke
1561-1639 SG 1686
1583-1663 10thGGF HP1799
1615-1661 GU8thGGU SP1776
1620-1671 John Washburn PN-FC HP1799
1625-1710 John Hayward PN-FC mom's Joseph Chandler ___
1634- Samuel Washburn PN-FC HP1799
1662-1746 HP1799
1696-1724 NP 1848
19 John Cooke
1474-1516 13th GGF HP1799
1515-1570 JC-alias Carewe HP
1526-1577 NP 1848
1562-1644 SGP1686
1568-1604 mom's ERogers 1694
1580-1651 10th GGU HP 1799
1599-? mom's ERogers 1694
1607-1650 SG 1686
1608-1695 9th GGF HP 1799
1616-? mom's JClark1752
1620-1671 HP 1799
1632--1691 SP 1776
1641-1657 HP 1799
1653-1692 SG 1686
1683-1741 HP 1799
1685-1754 JP1658
1696-1767 mom's JClark 1752
1703-1744 HP 1799
1716-? JP 1658
1730-__ mom's JClark 1752
1731-1805 mom's JClark 1752
20 Edward Doty
1598- HP
1637 HP
1664 HP
1671 HP
1697 HP
1716 HP
21 Francis Eaton
1596 HP (Billington)
1612 NP 1848
1706 JP 1658
22 Samuel Eaton
1620 HP
1658 NP 1535 but goes back and forth+++++++
1663 HP
1678 mom's JClark 1752
1732 NP 1848
1754 NP 1848
1819 SP 1600++++++++
23 Sarah Eaton
1606 HP
1654 NP 1535 but goes back and forth++++
1663 HP
1695 JP 1658
1713 Neice 8th GGA NP 1848+++++
1737 NP 1848
Moses Fletcher Flecher
NONE
25 Edward Fuller
1588 NP 1535+++++++++
1628 NP 1535 +++++++++++++++++++++
At a later time I can place the relationship names between MFP and the De Payens. Note there is more than usual lines with HP 1799 meaning ? Meaning more children born within the MFP ascendants and the Payne's but also include other info from my details.?? I cannot do the math for this.
This is a research program that involves yrs of developing --the family tree is needed to start this research project. If the research shows merit then, the term " payenism" will be added to the dictionary. The term meaning -- A group of the same or close to the same. having children over the course of 400yrs and therefore producing too many like DNA bonds that result in a diagnosis of autism--much like a partial in breeding but over much time. My preference would not to use the word "inbreeding". If merit -no one really knew. The DNA math is difficult and producing this research has been somewhat grueling. DNA math will come but if only I could have Ancestry check my paternal dna family with questions such as if I put paine payne de payen Alden who ever has strong DNA in the MFP... and ask if their family has autism/blood diversity/has a tree/get a tree. It would be so much quicker. Maybe 6 months from now someone will see something and start that conversation. This is just a theory so it is difficult for anyone to listen. If we see some truths about other data with autism this could also tie to it. I am not a professional researcher-I am thinking outside the box and using my knowledge. Its important to try.
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it shows the adding of List 1 (from #1 MF passenger to #52 MF passenger)for my DNA relations. MF passengers 2-51 also have many that are in my tree that are related to each MF passenger (such as John Alden 12th GGF also family member of John Alden alias Christopher Webb). They will also be included. Minute relationships from MF passengers to descendants may be just important in asking question (because they have a high probability of higher dna for a group).This research project takes into account the genetic makeup of the cm (centimorgan) and in this research it is looking at the mothers fathers descendants and how they are also tied to other MF passengers with the cross overs of other family (The De Payens from the 1500's to now to other MF passengers) It is not looking at the fathers line (of the child who has autism) descendants/ascendants or the mother's(of the child who has autism) mother line of genetic make up. This is 1/4 but most genetic information of variants are passed on by the male and the De Payen's have records from long ago. The research can be done (they are the ones along with MF passengers that I am trying to find possible density of same genes).
There is some questions also to ask/tell about the family tree--Why was A Lincoln added to mothers side in family tree(the dna family tree is abt 1/2 the size. Answer: To develop a very large family tree as there are many more records and therefore I can merge people with same b dd and have a truer tree/show relationships to exclude the one I see with mothers/mother/mother to work with my research. It is very difficult to work out the numbers but it can be done for everyone. Concern: There will be some information that is inaccurate due to adoptions/ affairs.... inaccurate answers.
Uncle Don Fehrenbacher/Fehrenbach -- Pulitzer Prize for Lincoln..... many books...
Perry my mom's dad had 2 wives, 1st wife went off to be an actress/dancer and was famous? Perry wanted to be a minister hmmmmm Perry's brother married Perrys 2nd wifes sister. So same dna shows up. I wanted to expand tree and I can't find 2nd wifes fathers dna/common ancestors while MJ Harris Grandparents show in my dna family. Lincoln allows for many many records to come together. Helpful in merging, lots of merging to 1 tree.
Concern: When looking at the paternal side at " Thru Lines" some of the GG and GG have too many correlations (possibly cousin marrying cousin). Perrys 2nd wife and Burls wife were 1/2 sisters. No marriage with 2nd wife.
Autism-1 out of 54 fastest growing serious developmental disability in the United States. Boys 4:1 (more variants going across male gender?) The cost is abt 461 Billion a year in care from our US Government. Ponder/theory for high/low rates: Florida families move there to get services all year (weather), RI certain groups of higher society marry same over and over--same for Maryland, TX less more of an influx of diversity (Latins..). What other theories for rate differences?
When thinking about my bio dad's family Paynes/De Payen's I notice that the DNA is before 1620 for some MF passengers and in looking at the MFP 2-10 I see that there are more MF ascendants married to more Payne's in my direct line (see 2-10 above and will continue later 11-51+). The Payne's were from Rhode Island and maybe some stayed and were with same families/religion of MFP. Is this why RI has a high amount of autism spilling over to Maryland. Some people do not move or can't move (no train, plane, car). What if HP and LP around the 1800's (state of Kansas) crossed over the US in a covered wagon and other MF families also. What if they all remained in one area having children. What if autism was more prevalent after so many people with about the same dna were in one area--like Kansas. Like HP 1799. No car, train, plane, beach to see others of diversity. So far I see JP 1658 with a lot of the Bradford families. The combinations will become more clear. Outside the Payne family there are also combinations. I read that in some places of ethnicity it varies for autism -- is it high when the DNA is not able to mix/low when there is more blood diversity? In high inbreeding--high load of homozygous deleterious variants can be risk factor for autism and paternal side passes the most variants. Prevalance for autism is most high in the non hispanic whites in America. In my De Payen families the MF families are all tied to the Paynes by blood in some way and for some many many ways. This is a way to see as probable of a cause we can through-- DNA family tree/ family tree relations(may be ok to use pattern of one offset by another just to show a value)/math of other information to think about... I hope in the next 20yrs I do not have to read 1:40 have autism in America and 1:20 have autism in Qatar. If we can see truth in any research then maybe we can at least become aware of something that we are doing that is wrong. Within the DNA of a person with Autism the ability to see who in the family has the most genes with what parent is common. By looking at each family member and recognizing... the truth may show that the one that has the autism is more closely related to the one parent that has more of a dense MF family.
More Importantly because this family tree -- The Payne family tree has all MF passengers and the line of the De Payen's it can work as a template (my family tree is develop/added/merged for more information) for anyone with one of the MF passengers or Payne's. It can be given to those that want probable answers as to why they have autism in their family. The theory of one person with a family that has autism to compare genetics over 400yrs with other families that have austim in there family. The theory then becomes more of truth if we work as a team to get answers.
ok, working on Love Brewster and relationship/my ties tomorrow 12/6/22 #13 of 51 MFP and need to list ancestry on my mom's fathers side with names/bdd date.
Possibly in 2023 I can have (would have developed possibly by a number system) a template to use on the GGF's wife's each parent working from Reno Rawlton Payne born 1904-1980 (my bio dad) all the way to Hugh De Payen my 23rd GGF
2023
Working with the least amount of data to produce results. Families with autism that have a MF family tree dating back to the Alden''s such as my 12th GGF and using a template to see same value relationships and ask about race diversity, compare person that has Autism with parents data. See if other siblings without the diagnosis have data that is less with the parent with less MF DNA.
2023
Volunteer from families with autism to be a part of a research study and genealogist will help develop the family tree and see if results have clues for if ....
Note: Pilgrim names need to be included such as Webb for the Aldens and if overly represented if constituted as having more probability of MFP DNA such as the Aldens.
Other pilgrim names are:___________________________
RN: Looking at an article from Pub Med Central "Both Rare and Common Genetic Variants Contribute to Autism in the Faroe Islands" -- reason for autism--a place of low travel/less chance to meet others outside the same...?
Thoughts over the holidays--I consider my ancestry to the Payne's past equal to a direct line descendants of the MFP but maybe stronger because they start before the 1620's and are related to many MFP's. In the new research finding all Payne's relationships/relationship values and crossovers (2nd set --1620 then again in 1820's) of same DNA family intensified in/around Kansas). Maybe I will find more questioning/answers when producing data. The first step is to go from Reno Payne (my dad) 1904-1980 to Nicholas Payne 1592- showing much information using Excel to move around information for questioning (at a later time). The second step is to look at all Paynes to find all relationships/relationship values and crossovers--what surnames and maiden names could qualify for this set of MFP's that are not the direct line (this is vague--because it is according to whoever is the direct line(s) doing the process/research).
Questioning--If too much male variants on the father's side is the same dna (direct line--is the direct line the carrier?) and there are crossovers (1620 and also 1820's double the Paynes or who ever the DL is) of others (by way of mother/husband--in my case) could you have a high probability of Autism for your children. Is this why the 5:1 ratio--that you have a boy likier to have autism and it is likier to be more severe with having the traits of autism. Is it the 1620's group of MFP DNA and Group of 1820's group of MFP along with a fathers direct line (carrier) causing a trigger to Autism if there are no genetic racial differences. Can this be said for other direct line (carriers). Can this direct line be developed since they are not affected by Autism (have the ability to socialized/reproduce) but have children with Autism. Since the PubMed article .2% Autism in Israel July 2017 has risen 170% would there be documentation of genetic history of ... with direct lines dating back a few hundred years? Thoughts--could there be a remission and reprise such as __________ Chandler my ancestor not a part of the MFP DNA and ___________Karlsson from another country. It is my belief there is too much of the same DNA and trigger causing genetic abnormalities. I will be working with data today.
Data: De Payen Family and Mayflower Families
Common Ancestors in Thru Lines with Ancestry.com as of 11/27/22 Proven by number of hits-RRP 4, Lorenzo P 4 Nelson P 4 Harrison P 25&25 Stephen P 46&46 Nathaniel P 75&75 Stephen Paine/Thornton 19&19 Others: Wigner Wagner, Wigner Marshall, Wigner Cunningham, Wiegner Shults Scholtze, 31&31, Emig Emich Nicols Nicholas 41&43, Tap Handyshel 21&24, Angell Hammond, Hartwell Luce, Hartwell Davis, Wigner or Weigner Emig, Cunningham Handyshel, Windser Mathewson, Angell Winsor
Research: Since my tree holds all the MF Passengers(most are from my fathers side) should there be a study to see if the currient MF families with the above names have more autism? This is without the varied genetics of say an interracial marriage.
Number of Paternal DNA families with Ancestry.com is 14, 843
Number of Maternal DNA families with Ancestry.com is _______ I have Clarks, Rogers from MF passengers. Another pjct
Common Ancestors from 6cm (centimorgans) to over 1928cm showing 220 from fathers side
Counted paternal dna families that are colored coated (burgandy) separated from maternal (yellow) also have some with both
Question to a professional researcher- if the yellow and burgundy color coated (separating by parent-burgundy father/ yellow mother) show a higher number of autism or also if the paternal dna match with a high cm not correlating with how the tree looks can also show a higher number of families with autism There are some unassigned such as 1, 740 but many have double colors.
History of research
Within each Mayflower passenger(51) I can see what relationship I have and also the compounding of families in the 1700's= crossing over and having families with the De Payens again and there are other MF families crossing over. Some questions arise on other countries that have high autism rates and possibly a more severity of autism. Qatar has a less diverse gene pool (higher rates 1 in five go to public schools) while France has a more diverse gene pool (lower rates). As Americans, most of us are living check by check and do not travel much out of our local areas. For the de Payens they married within the Christian religion/church and their group of friends/family ties as shown in Group 1. Does Qatar also have a family tree to see if within a certain time period the same pool of genes are causing autism and possibly more infertility problems. Is it for a shorter time (less than 400ys) most of their children do not attend public schools because possibly they have a more severe kind of autism? If there are more than a dozen types of Autism could this same gene pooling be one of them-too much of the same genes causing a condition rater than syndrome of inbreeding. For many family ASD is multiplied. If we had families that are still wanting more children and offered them the ability to add another dna (yes it can be done) then will autism not exist for the children to come for that family. How can we find data using data? It will take a group effort and understanding of how much MF and DePayen genes we have and if the rate of autism is high for the concentrated amount of same genes compared to those with diverse genes. It involves looking at the last 400yrs through an extended research of a families line (De Payen) and various other MF passenger lines. When looking into cord blood we change ... by going backwards to fix... but with dna we can also change a persons dna (different ways) to change ? for people with autism--is this also a possibility? Would this be better earlier than later in life?
Area; For Public to provide questioning with not yet answers or expand on this theory
Area: Provide charity to continue website and list how I related to each MF passenger
Area: Suggestions for finding answers and Feedback
Question: Do you think that Autism will grow over the next 100 yrs and the government will have more difficulty paying for all the services and years of Social Security? I was told by Dr Raun Melmed that someone will come up with an answer (maybe just one of the over 12 types of Autism) but its something that they have not thought of. I am just trying and hope my Mayflower families will understand this and try also.
Thoughts of other Experiences: Within Infertility challenges many families have children born ( IVF and or IVF-Gift) with Autism, it is a higher rate than normal Looking at the questions and data to reveal anything with merit there needs to be an attaching question-- autism was noticed at birth or after 10 months? Is there a trigger for autism to happen to families that have children that are not born with autism? Can people have triggers to cause more of a condition to happen? Idk but could be researched
Further dev: no cost or just charity to help with my time since I cant get a grant from ASU so they say. Or they cant understand me . I have fam mem to help with the website and place more info later. May take a while to get this going and someday maybe ????
Note: need 15cm to 6cm "unassigned matches" color coating to do/many have both colors Yellow and Burgundy M/F compared to the general matches. Is this why Ancestry.com has them labeled "Unassigned" or they are not up to date?
need relationship of each MF passenger to me and them to be listed
Now -- find correct person of de payen for the mf passengers for group 2 and place info above such as NP and JP with...
Note: If I can see how I relate to each MF passenger than others should see a concentration of MF passengers or not
Group 1 Before the 1600's
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This area will show MF Passengers that an increased DNA probability
Notes: Clump all together here and keep it but place individual data below also at a later time.
1 John Alden/Christopher Webb 1609-1671--related by John Payne my 14th GG1483-1526 and relationship is 6th c 8x But 1 John Alden 1598-1687 is my 12th GG by John Payne 1658-1718 and 1 John Alden 1626-1702 is my 11th GG Uncle by way of JP 1658-1718 and John Alden 1674-1730 is my 2nd c 6x by NP 1848-1941
1 John Alden
2 Isaac Allerton
3 Mary (Norris) Allerton
4 Bartholomew Allerton
5 Mary Allerton
6 Remember Allerton
7 John Billington- Bolling- Boulin- Billing
8 Elinor Billington
9 Francis Billington
10 William Bradford
11 William Brewster
12 Mary Brewster
13 Love Brewster
14 Peter Browne
15 James Chilton
16 Mrs James Chilton
17 Mary Chilton
18 Francis Cooke
19 John Cooke--related by John Paine my 8th GG 1658-1718 and relationship is _________________________________
20 Edward Doty
21 Francis Eaton
22 Samuel Eaton
23 Sarah Eaton
24 Moses Fletcher
25 Edward Fuller 1588-1625--related by Moses Payne my 11th GG 1580-1643 and relationship is ________________________________But also 25 Edward Fuller 1575-1621 and 1595-1620 by my 6th GG Stephen Payne 1716-1797 and relationship is _________________________
26 Mrs Edward Fuller
27 Samuel Fuller (twin of Edward)
28 Samuel Fuller
29 Stephen Hopkins
30 Elizabeth (Fisher) Hopkins
31 Giles Hopkins
32 Constance Hopkins 1606-1677--related by my 12th GG Nicholas Payne 1535-1616 but aslo 32 Constance Hopkins 1583-1644 but questionable also on moms side
33 John Howland
34 Richard More Moore 1550 --related by John Paine 8th GG 1658-1718 relationship is ___________________ But also 34 Richard Moore More 1560-1597 and 1597-1688 -- related by Stephen Paine 10th GGF 1600-1679
35 William Mullins
36 Priscilla Mullins
37 Degory Priest
38 Thoms Rogers
39 Joseph Rogers
40 Henry Samson
41 George Soule
42 Myles Standish
43 John Tilley
44 Joan (Hurst) Tilley
45 Elizabeth Tilley
46 Richard Warren
47 William White
48 Susanna (Jackson) White
49 Peregrine White
50 Resolved White
51 Edward Winslow
Note: there are some above that are questionable for DNA on my mothers side--later insight into that
Group 2- 1700's and after
Ancestry relationship may be slightly off
2 IA1586-1658-HP 3rd GG 1799-1866 relation is 1st C 10x
3 MNA-HP 3rd GG 1799-1866 relationship is _________________________
4 BA-HP 3rd GG 1799-1866 relationship is __________________________
5 MA-HP 3rd GG 1799-1866 relationship is ____________________________
6 RA-HP 3rd GG 1799-1866 relationship is ____________________________
7 JB-3rd GG 1799-1866 relationship is _______________________________
8 Elinor Billington _________________________________________________
9 FB-HP 3rd GG 1799-1866 relationship is ___________________________
10 WB-____________________________________________________
11 WB 1622-1719 To my mothers side Joseph Rogers 1771-1837
12 MB 1589-1631 -HP 3rd GG 1799-1866 But also MB 1569-1627 To my mothers side Philemon Clarke 1778-1856
13 LB-NP 1848-1941 2nd GG relationship __________________But 13 Mary Love Wentworth Brewster Guildersleeve 1569-1627 To my mothers side Philemon Clarke 1778-1856 relationship ________________________________________
14 PB-NP 1587-1633 2nd GG relationship ______________________________________
?? checking on missing a grandfather Nelson for the Chiltons and Browns around 1556 typo Nich not Nelson on my notes
15 JC-Nelson
16 MJC-Nelson
17 MC-Nelson
ok 1 of 3 columns done 1-17 try to finish today 18-51 finish later
Still numbers on thru lines
Group 3
Various MF names occuring after the arrival with smaller amounts of DNA
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Within the 1-17 MF passengers I have very close ties to Alden (still need to work on Webb-Webb is Alden) the results so far without the wife of each Payne's info it is Alden 12th GGF, WBrewster 1704-1777 w6thGGU. JChilton 1542- 9th GGF,
I would still need to add close ties to my mother's side--Clarks and Rogers.This is only 1/4 of results.
12/7/22... work on #18 to 51 MFP and any same names.
Revealing certain close ties with the Aldens, Webbs.... if the MF volunteer could add the direct line with the Paynes and look at relationship of the X "whatever MF passenger they have " on their ancestry.com site to the Payne's the relationship could show results of each MF passenger. Since this cluster of names seems to be the most dense now for my family we can start with this and end up seeing possible other clusters of dense MF DNA. Does dense MF passengers DNA a cause for Autism over 400yrs in multiplying the same kind of DNA and overlapping with same marriages? Autism is present without a diversity of blood ? Could the trip to America merely be from family members almost all blood related?
For any family tree with Ancestry.com that has a MFP it is possible to ask for a pathway to one of the Payne's and place the direct Payne line. There could be merging of same person/b/dd to show a more truth of the relationship. The relationship value can allow someone to see if they have a more dense MFP dna relation but also a crossover of other information. The development between this/these lines would need to be developed. Concern: not everyone is able or has the desire to develop this in their tree. If a
US rates for Autism 1% vs .2% (point 2 % or .2) in Israel-WHY? 1 in 100 vs 2 in 1000. 7/27/12 Pubmed Prevalence and Incidence of Autism Spectrum Disorder
Sorry, over thinking --how could we ever share a Temple--the outside even. Impossible. To have many faiths currently in Israel would seem impossible. How do we become "one man" and speak the same old language of the Jewish people. Answer: maybe we need each other. Maybe there is merit--that too much of the same small group of DNA creates a neurological condition called Autism. The religion of the old world America can be said it closely ties to the Jewish religion
Concerns: I see many strong ties (MFP)with just using my Payne line of ancestry but also many cross overs of HP during the time when both of my child's (autism) grandfathers on both sides lived in Kansas--in the 1800's. I have no known diversity except a GGF name of Lorenzo--Spanish or Italian mother?
Concerns: If infertility is tied to this theory and I have the experience 9 years of poking/pills and IVF/IVF GIFT we pretty much forced the pregnancy. I have been told later that many people that have had IVF/IVF GIFT (mine was unexplained infertility) that the rate of Autism is higher. I am not sure what the percentage is for ...This is another project for someone--finding out if those that have children with autism and infertility also have a high density of MFP for their DNA. Is Infertility also on the rise ?
Although it is difficult to see the higher density of MFP/Paynes DNA, there are families that have more than one child with autism spectrum disorder (ASD) and if screeners/MFP pathways are available with consent then looking for factors such as... would be important.
low/no ethnic diversity
one of the types of autism--higher in non-hispanic whites
high density of DNA for MFP/Paynes
high number of crossovers for MFP/Paynes
more than 1 child vs 1 child with autism in 1 family
It is alarming that in the late 1990's the ratio was about 1:84 and twenty years later is is about 1:42. So in 2043 will we have 1:21? All research is important. I have sent this to 3 places but no answer. And if it does have merit--how will the public respond? How can we gauge this and not allow the problem to continue. I think the crossovers are much higher as I only used the first names of the surnames... of the MFP--this is another project using my family tree which is certainly much more research.
Two of the 4 Parent lines
The results for 1-25 MFP vs relationship with the direct line of the Paynes of ancestry are:
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Included are the Payens before the 1620's that were family members to the MFP, which are:
Nicholas Payne 1535-1616 my GGF has some genetic ties to Edward Fuller 1588 and 1628/Sarah Eaton 1654/Samuel Eaton 1658/Mary Brewster 1762-1805/William Brewster 1764-1789 and 1791-1856/William Bradford 1718-1781
Stephen Payne 1600-1679 my GGF has genetic ties to Samuel Perly Eaton 1819
John Alden Sr 1598-1687 listed as 12th GGF by way of GGF John Paine 1658-1718 Hanna Bass Chickering Paine Metcalf Fiske Porter Wilbore 1628-1688 Samuel Blogget Blodget Bass 1700-1768 Samuel Bass 1660-1751 Ruth Alden Auldin Bass 1637-1674 Wife is Priscilla Sara Mullins 1602-1688 Father William Mullins 1572-1621 Mother Alice Mary Atwood Mullins 1575-1621.
James Chilton 1556-1620 listed as 8th GGF by way of GGF Nelson Payne 1848-1941 Abigail Luce Payne 1804-1867 Betsey Luce Hartwell 1799-1856 Abigail Davis Hartwell 1741-1834 Rebecca Chandler Davis Hartwell 1711-1790 Samuel Chandler 1674-1743 Isabell Chilton Chandler 1587-? Wife is Susanna Mary Furner Furnar 1564-1621 Father James Chilton 1542-? Mother Isabell Furner 1545-1582
John Souls Cooke 1608-1695 listed as 9GGF by way of GGF Harrison Payne 1799-1866 Sally Angel Paine 1775 Amey Hammond 1745-1834 Nathan Hammond 1716-1816 Josiah Hammond 1696-? Mary Hathaway Hammond 1665-1735 Sarah Cooke Hathaway 1635-1712 Wife is Sarah Warren 1614-1696 Father Richard Warren 1578-1628 Mother Elizabeth Walker 1580-1673
Mary Mortimer Brewster Payne 1704-1777 listed as wife 6th GGU by way of John Paine GGF 1658-1718 Benjamin Paine 1699-1784 Husband is Benjamin Paine Payen 1700-1755 Father John Paine 1666-1755 Mother Deborah Neale Rothweiler Payne 1667-1689
Francis Cooke1583-1663 10th GGF
Still add Francis Cooke 10th GGF 1583-1663
John Cooke 13th GGF 1474-1516
Sarah Eaton Neice 8th GGA
Place both parents of the above 7
Still need to develop Christopher Webbs, John Freeman (alias) but realize it is important at some time to develop relationship (MFP/Paynes) across all surnames and surnames of wives fathers. Need to work on 26-51 MFP
How many crossovers of just first names with surnames of the MFP and Paynes
1581-1671 Webb to be expanded/condensed/listed relationship 12/11-12/13/22
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It would be interesting to know if the ones listed below are actually tied to the MFP as I have many with the same name. Also to finish researching the wife/wives names to find/label the last names--if one is a close relative than another MFP might also be connected.
The number of crossovers with lower DNA relations are:
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The relationships between the De Payens and Mayflower passengers before the 1620 (calling it the "Z" list) are:
Edward Fuller 1588-1625 and 1628-? Names in between are Payne Paine De Payen Fuller with end relationship Nicholas Payne De Payen my GGF 1535-1616
Sarah Eaton 1654-1726 ...with Paine Payne De Payen Tripp Moyses Eaton and end relationship with Nicholas Payne De Payen my GGF 1535-1616
Samuel Eaton1658-1683.... same as above
Samuel Perly Eaton 1819-1891 with Paine Payne De Payen Kendall Eaton Burnap and end with Stephen Payne De Payen my GGF 1600-1679
Mary Brewster 1762-1805 with Paine Payne De Payen Smith Lombard Avery Brewster and end with Nicholas Payne De Payen my GGF 1535-1616
William Brewster 1764-1789 .... same as above
William Brewster 1791-1856 .... same as above
William Bradford 1718-1781 with Paine Payne De Payen Cleveland Cleaveland Bradford and end with Nicholas Payne De Payen my GGF 1535-1616
Since the above names that are closely related to both my Payne family and MFP (Alden 12thGGF, Chilton 8GGF, Cooke 9th GGF, Brewster wife 6th GGU, Cooke 10th GGF, Cooke 13th GGF and Eaton neice 8th GGA) I will be looking into last names that are close ties to the Paynes by way of my Ancestry.com dna tree. Also to add those found before 1620's such as Bradford, Cleveland Brewster Lombard Smith Burnap Kendall Tripp Moyses and Fuller. I am looking for GGF or GGM tied to these names and the Paynes. Trying to find a dense DNA connection so I can create a list. Still there will be MFP 26-51 to find close DNA ties. Then start on a screener-questions for those that answered from the dna family tree and the surnames listed above.
Number of responses received to get info on the names are: ______________________________________________________________________________________
Currently there are 13 pgs Bradfords, 2pgs Cleveland Cleaveland, 10pgs Brewsters, 5pgs Lombards, 54pgs Smiths, 2pgs Burnaps, 3pgs Kendalls, 3pgs Tripps, only 1 person Moyse, 13pgs Fullers, 1pg Chiltons, 22pgs Cooks or Cookes, 7pgs Eaton, 5pgs Alden--20 people per pg in the family tree. But if I go to the dna tree and place names to see highest cm (probable most amount of dna for that name) then I can have them tell me the name--if they will, knowing they may help for the screener and developing a list. Another list. Go from there. I could check more names per person if they have a larger tree. Not sure if I will get the results but will also keep track of which Payne. There seems to be many crossovers of HP in one of my researches. Maybe this will also be the case?
Starting to give my website to those in my dna family with a search of Chiltons....and they are tied to the paternal side. The screener is to ask if autism is present in the family, is there ethnic diveristy and what Chiltons do you have in the family tree. I will need to research if there are the same ties to the Chiltons of MF times. Much record keeping along with cm. Awareness to the fact that some relate to my son with all colors (meaning his dads side and moms side). Some not having a color code because of their info is private and some on my mother's side. I won't be checking my mother's side. This will take a while as I also color coat. To make the project more detailed as I can get to it--checking names and adding some wive's maiden names along the way. For a bigger project the Paynes need to be checked with all surnames and wife's maiden names not just same first name/last name of a MF passenger. There may be other GGF or GGM that have a high MF DNA. Very tedious--much like getting a tree together by adding and merging........
Results from Questions--concern that too may questions may lead to no responses. Just asking about autism in the family and giving the website address although ....
One response--yes autism and more than one with autism in the family. To shortcut the research have stopped in the middle of the MFP 1-51 but also will only be looking at "common ancestors" and the high dna names (....) to include Rogers and Clarks. Since the one result shows that by going to the matches/choose search and place the high dna names you can also click on "common ancestors" and get one result that leads to a person having autism. The questions sent by way of Ancestry.com are to those that fit that category. Important: For this one result the first one (highest cm) that came up is my son and under the high dna names such as in "Chiltons". Can have a low cm such as one on my paternal side (the one result) but there are others that qualify based on the result--such as a cousin (common ancestor) showing up as one of the first cm for "Alden" and looking for others that are color coated (red for paternal/yellow for maternal) within the paternal line. For my family many are both because of the very extensive tree. When color coating, it become apparent it is both because it is no longer just all yellow or red for the relations within relations.
I need to ask if the Brewster's of the time before 1620's/ related to the earlier Paynes--are related to the later Brewsters that are high in DNA for the Payne Family.
My 9th GGF is MFP Richard Clark 1608-1673 thru my mom's side and JClark 1752-1818 5th GGF. Thomas Rogers 1598-1621 is husband of my11th GGM mom's side.
Condensing information--There are 15 names (MFP) to correlate within the dna matched with common ancestors hightlighted and each one has: 4/4/2/2/5/50/9/25/8/11/4/2/25/100+/5 and of those there is the family tree (common ancestor button not pressed) and each one has: 11/102/135/31/21/800+/74/lots/lots/lots/109/52/lots/lots/90 and each one has a list of the one (MFP) name: 100/200/260/40/8/1260/40/441/140/260/60/100/800/1080/60
The 15 MFP are being compared with each other for the same name=more of a dna presence?
Concern: I need the answers to find if this research is showing truths.
I will be sending messages to ask about autism for those that have a high MF DNA. This will be a little over 100 people. A little over a third of the MFP that are in high DNA (for my case--The Payne Family) has a family member starting out as the most common ancestor for that particular last name of the Mayflower passenger. I will not be working with the Smith's over the holiday but start again later.
Note: The Clarks and Rogers have many Paynes-and the color coating becomes 2 after time when the cm is lower (paternal side red and maternal side yellow for many it is both after going lower with the cm's). For my screener question I am working with any color or no color (private).
It would really help to have feedback -- both a yes or a no is important for this beginning of a study. I plan to get some notes together for Ancestry.com and develop the other 1/2 of the MFP 26-51. Ancestry.com may be understanding of research to find answers.
The Paynes for 1) Looking at outcome of questions from Common Ancestors on the DNA Family is the Base ( whole number 1 which is the total number of all MF surnames that are on my screen. 1 or Base is also 4/4/2/2/5/50/9/25/8/11/4/2/25/100/5 or 256. I will be looking at the percentage of X vs 256. Concern: No Feedback.
Examples--Groups 1, 2, 3
Group 1
When going to the matching dna page on Ancestry.com I am a direct line/fathers line are all Paynes so my DNA is half Payne's. Looking at each name (15 MFP last names that prove to be high in MFP dna for me inparticular I can see the first one is "Alden" and it has 4 next name has 4 next name has 2 and the 15 add up to 256. This 256 is in versus of the Payne's DNA. Payne's/all 15 MFP names equal 256 (I pressed common ancestors and placed the MFP high dna probability in the search field). This is what I am working on now(questioning). May not get ot the Smiths until after the holidays it is abt 100 people.
Group 2
Payne names in the dna family tree ancestry site for looking at matches without pressing the common ancestors is of a higher number(abt 2300) for Paynes/MFP (that are higher in DNA for me). This is because it is both (common ancestors and others that tie to that MFP). Additional people can be screened with the question if Group 1 cannot/will not respond and other outside sources do not feel that this is important.
Group 3
There are four thousand eight hundred and forty nine Paynes/Paines in the tree. If the study shows promise and the Paynes would be a good baseline to see results than each one could be looked at for relationship values. DNA math is created in a different way(Between the De Payens and the Mayflower Passengers) to show a possible reason for autism.
Group 3--as for right now I will not consider working on this project.
Research results to verify more so that theory will become truth-- Soon I will find the earliest MFP for each person (Say in Aldens I find Sarindiskapee Alden born 1648 ties to --------- Payne in my tree)in Group 1 and compare/list the relationship ( give a value 1 to 100 -- lower numbers mean less of a dna density of MFP genetic dna make up) by looking at my Payne family name and first the 1 of 15 (each one has some MFP high possibilities) MFP in Group 1. Then look at questions of " do you have autism in your family" and do you have current racial genetic differences" compare to relationship values (RV). Reword-busy
This will take a while and also do the same with Group 2 since many people are too busy too respond right now to questions on Ancestry.com
The makings for a better Research Project--Instead of using the first name and last name of each MFP 1-25 (time limited) I should look in Ancestry.com for how each Alden any first name ties to my "Baseline of Payne's-Hugh De Payen line". Also more importantly, from past research of finding the high dna's of MFP --the crossovers happening from Harrison Payne are exceptionally high (see above). Is this due to the fact of moving certain groups to the West. Because my family tree is very detailed/expanded for the 15th to 17th century and does not have much for the 18th century when these crossovers happened than the DNA for the 1620's group in one math computation and the group for the 1820's is another. To be looked at together to find more of a closer DNA ties to too much of the same. Question-Did we have other genetic racial differences(marriages/births) added to our 1820's + because we did not have ports near by, cars, trains, planes. I'm not sure about others providing help with the farming to create any time of genetic racial difference. There could be certain groups/clusters of families that are very high due to .... Because my tree has not grown enough to show the people in the 1800's+ I cannot add another computation that may change RV of what I have.
Steps--Lots of Data-Be accurate with each name not just include same first name .....but all surnames and look at my Ancestry.com through those MF surnames any first name to see the more accurate ties to DNA/Paynes. Next develop the Harrison Payne 1799- line since there are so many crossovers. Ex: Someone born today may have 2 of the same MFP or other combinations of same DNA based on what is happening in the 1800's.
Detailing/Questions--How does the first names/surnames of father and maiden name of mother of the children of Harrison Payne relate to the direct line of the Paynes (which would be high in that DNA group expecially because of the crossover--the crossover in Kansas--considered by me as the 2nd landing). This second landing is another same group of DNA having children with the same group of DNA from the 1620's. What about the gold rush--anyone with diversity or a chance of meeting someone different? This may be a term I will use as the 3rd landing in the case of this theory of why we have so much autism in the Caucasion families (non-hispanic). When you look at the clusters in the US of high autism rates, they do center around NY, KS, CA (the places the Payen/Payne/Paine's use to live, Alabama has over 25% racial difference as African American and has the lowest rate of autism 1:175 to include girls (see below New Jersey). So how can I help? I will place numeric information on each Payne... to show birth/death dates and if anyone is reading this they can contact me and I will send them a screen shot of the relationship of that particular Payne... It will help jump start this. It seems to be going in so many directions/over time. The family tree is not expansive to show everything--I would need help. Still working to get the questions out but with all the notes to make this a better/unusual research project ....It would be interesting to see crossovers from other states such as Californias during the Gold Rush. I don't think anyone was in California from other countries at the time so it was a limited amount of people having families within possibly the same DNA with little diversity. First crossover of ... would be 1620's, second crossover with first would be the 1820's, third crossover could be about in the 1850's whenever the Gold Rush started. During 1846-1873 it is estimated that non-natives killed California natives, probably around 16 thousand. It would be interesting to find out in New Jersey if the early Paynes have crossovers (earlier than Harrison Payne 1799 )for those with autism and have Paynes in their family tree(possibly showing this crossover by way of looking at relationship lines (RV) by way of this research. ASD is prevalent in New Jersey with a 1:28 ratio for boys. It is higher because you need to add in the girls--overall. It affects boys 5:1 compared to girls.
I have tried to get a grant with Autism Speaks and have notified/sent out my website which is basically using my ongoing thoughts about why we have autism and how to find scientific proof. I want to be accurate but realize that others will need to help. It is just one person and many ideas to research to find.... The baseline is helpful but..
Autism--increased frequency of rare susceptibility genes and autosomal recessive disorders due to consanguinity or in this case "payenism" in the United States--1 type of the dozen types of Autism. Probably the most prevalent. Not sure if I can get anyone to buy into this but I can offer the Payne information and hope they will contact me at fehrenbacher777@gmail.com Debbie I will give you a screen shot of the relationships if you can give me your email to send the screen shot. This will lead you to understand/have the Baseline/Paynes. You can see crossovers if your tree is large enough. Please look at the list of Payne's information list below and if you have one in your tree and can expand it......., it may help to find answers.
Anyone who want to know the relationship for the Payne's Paine's DePayens because they have the Payne's... In there tree they can email me and I will send them the relationship. Hopefully, you can start your baseline. This only 1/10 of the Paynes/Paines... I will be adding more and possibly the ones that are high in DNA MF/Paynes (in my case) such as Aldens, Chiltons, Cook/Cocke, Brewster, Eaton, Webb, Freeman (MFP project above 1-25 MFP).
Importance: Testing for everyone who has direct lines to MFP, To find theory to truth, show a deserve for a grant/team help in states such as NJ/KS/CA or around there (see clusters-https://worldpopulationreview.com the map). Develop a numeric value for relationship value to help others that do not have direct lines-if theory becomes truth.
To verify--theory to truth--look at many individuals with people that have autism in their families with or without racial genetic differences by using this research process. The families in NJ may have crossover no matter how low in DNA it would need to be recorded. If many crossovers are with the earlier Paynes direct line then the theory has more probability.
My crossovers are from Kansas as seen above, the ones from NJ should be from the Paynes of an earlier time period. The crossovers of CA or around CA should be from 3 times or more of multiplying without much or no racial genetic diversity. There were Paynes/MFP high DNA in RI and then NY Washington DC, Kansas, California due to history events.
Question--If say people that love to study MF..... and has a direct line to a MFP such as say Alden's and develops their family tree to include the direct line of the De Payens/Paynes (my ancestors) can we find truths in varios regions of the United States. In my previous research, I could take the first name and last name of the MFP and find many--placing a list some without much of a strong tie. These lower ties are many and represent crossovers/the many crossovers at one time with a Payne. This could be done by others doing this same kind of research and show their crossovers--may look different for those that are working with it in NJ, KS, CA. If say you have a direct line of Alden's and click on a MFP of each first name you can see if there is an Alden--write down each one. Whoever has the Alden write it down, there may be many with the same name/last name of the MFP and you may be able to go through all 51 plus pilgrim names because my ... is very extensive. My crossovers are mostly with HP 1799- meaning the extensive or high dna is with the past of the 1620's but also with the high crossovers of after 1817 with Harrison Payne and other MFP descendants in the Kansas area.
Question--If research shows high crossovers of HP 1799 than for a person with a direct line of Alden's what crossovers do they find? And how does this differ if you live near NJ or KS or CA? Does the relationship value show up as the same? probably in some individuals it is differnt but the relationship of Alden's and Paynes can be developed for what I have. RV is under the name on ancestry.com and by clicking on it you can see the line of people to get from the Paynes to the Aldens in my case (when placing a look up for a particular first/last name MFP-their may be more than one for the same particular first/last name MFP.) If you have a correct direct line of say Alden's it is already in the system so you are just searching for last names of the MFP within your tree ( I just used the first name only and last name as it is alot of work). My RV MFP with my Paynedirect line should be a baseline, able to show... It should be a match to yours if it is the exact same person--same b/dd. Just ask and I can verify--definitely would like this research to work. Fehrenbacher777@gmail.com Debbie By looking up and writing down your connections RV from direct lines you can see your GGM and GGF of many lines but also the crossovers of others are important for my research. Please send your crossover numbers and where you are located in the US along with any information about Autism/racial genetic differences to my email. If the theory becomes truth it will be important to travel outside of the US--I can see why some civilizations up and left if this is the case. Same people in same location over time---hmmm 400+ years
It would be interesting to find if say one parent in Qatar who has many children with ASD marries an older women in the US who has many children with ASD and they decide/have children--no children born will have ASD whether the mom is older, had IVF/IVFGIFT, or took some tylenol-ha Tylenol -really I need write a dry humor book about Autism defined as being ... in the 80's..... Maybe God is tired of all the fake stories.
Question: The families in the NJ area that have children with autism--Do they not have the names found in Project Z (in compare to crossovers in KS and/or CA areas(to be done after info copy and pasted).
Project Z- Looking at the other side of the coin.
1)First side of coin is Norm-Baseline to the MFP--shows some close DNA such as 12th GGF.... but also the crossovers--in my case during the 1800's+ but we are looking for other crossovers of NY area and California area for other families that have this type of autism.
2) Second side of the coin- may take 6 months to finish but extend all Paynes... to "type in" the relationship of wives and also the maiden and mother's maiden name next to the 4800+ Paynes... below in order to see the crossovers of women in the baseline/direct line/in my case the Paynes... At a specific place in time. Why? Answers may not be true from volunteers and with the holidays no one wants to respond and having a child with autism is not to be made public. But, I guess I have an inner voice too. This research project/research notes may give a pathway to show theory to truth--if it is true.
Plans----
1) Cut/paste Payne's & other high dna names
2) Send out questioning/screeners to Group 1 maybe Group 2 only sent out abt 15
3) Extend infor each Payne's.. (Wife/Wives-maiden/mothers maiden name date/place
4) Start to look at clusters of wife/wives maiden names/mother's maiden name, places, time period.
5) Develop some ......? to show cluster pattern for truths?
Having trouble cut and paste large files for wix software. I will work on Tripp and Kendall
Still have the rest of Payne Paine Alden Cook ... Brewster Eaton Webb Freeman Lombard
It has been a month of research notes to finally see how to do the core of the research, my research notes should be saved as a hard copy/deleted here. My results only will be from RV of each Payne, Paine, De Payen but also looking into the wives maiden names and the wives mother's maiden names. By collecting high dna surnames(such as Alden being 12th GGF) and noticing other last names in the RV's. I will record places/dates of crossovers and leave out feelings, facts about autism, history, and personal stuff. I will look at more data from the MFP to add to the high dna data. It will be research looking for crossovers at a place and time to correlate with the belief that there is high DNA of MFP/Paynes--Its by deduction of math using the places of around NY, KS, CA. I have blocked my public ancestry.com momdeborah52 last week and plan to delete all info here in a few weeks. I plan to have data later --it will take awhile.
just keep only data for this website.
12/23/22 Can we say that anyone with a direct line to the MFP does not have autism. It is the crossovers from others that create more of the same DNA over the course of 400 years. Can we say that more crossovers for those that are high in ... with the direct line of MFP have a higher chance of Autism. It is possible to find the high dna lines/surname for each person that has a direct line to MFP (proven by above).
abt 1610
1480 - Frittenden, Kent, England
1511 - Herefordshire, England
1457 - Boxted, Suffolk, England
1500 - , Suffolk, , England
abt 1697
abt 1633
abt 1858
17 January 1876 - Linn County, Kansas, USA
29 September 1947 - Kansas City, Jackson County, Missouri, USA
abt 1647
1716
24 MAY 1758 - New Hartford, Litchfield, Connecticut, USA
30 OCT 1827 - Salem, Washington, Ohio, USA
1761 - Virginia, United States
1832 - Lawrenceburg, Dearborn, Indiana, USA
1375 - Paynshay, Devon, England
Heptonstall, Yorkshire, England
1573 - Fordington, Dorset, England, United Kingdom
1645
21 September 1796 - Rhode Island
15 July 1883
1476 - Lavenham, Suffolk, England
1599 - Boxted, Suffolk, England
1458
1471
abt 1848
1500 - Bristol, Somerset, England
1582 - Bristol, Somerset, England
abt 1935 - Indiana
1876 - Lichfield, Staffordshire, England
21 Dec 1937 - Westminster, London, England
11 January 1920 - Texas
13 November 2008
13 September 1835
6 April 1848
31 Mar 1765
abt 1850 - New York
30 Jul 1911 - Kalamazoo, Kalamazoo, Michigan, USA
13 February 1787 - Hinsdale, Berkshire County, Massachusetts, United States of America
1870 - Macomb, Macomb County, Michigan, United States of America
5 July 1850 - Middleton, Gratiot County, Michigan, United States of America
9 August 1928 - Maple Rapids, Clinton County, Michigan, United States of America
27 Dec 1813
abt 1829
8 July 1811 - Hinsdale, Berkshire County, Massachusetts, United States of America
20 December 1888 - Hinsdale, Berkshire County, Massachusetts, United States of America
Sep 1880 - Handsworth, Staffordshire, England
1 April 1837 - Washington County, Indiana, United States of America
12 January 1913 - Jackson County, Indiana, United States of America
Abt. 1812
13 September 1762 - Westfield, Hampden County, Massachusetts, United States of America
29 February 1848 - Canterbury, Windham County, Connecticut, United States of America
14 May 1871 - Ionia County, Michigan, United States of America
10 October 1942 - Carson City, Montcalm County, Michigan, United States of America
11 Jul 1660
1613 - , Sussex, England
24 Aug 1670 - West Hoathly, Sussex, England
Abt 1876 - Wisconsin
1536 - Bury St Edmunds, Suffolk, England, United Kingdom
3 March 1606 - Bury St Edmunds, Suffolk, England, United Kingdom
Aug 1868 - Marshall District, Fauquier County, Virginia, USA
22 Nov 1913 - Frederick, Frederick County, Maryland, USA
abt 1803
22 May 1916 - Michigan, United States of America
27 July 1989 - Florida, United States of America
30 May 1829 - New York, United States of America
13 May 1861 - United States of America
27 Apr 1800 - Richfield, Otsego, New York, USA
24 Nov 1879 - Fulton, Gratiot, Michigan, USA
1877
Jun 1943 - Bates, Missouri, USA
17 February 1874
13 March 1940
15 November 1934 - Frederick County, Maryland, United States of America
19 June 2001 - Frederick County, Maryland, United States of America
30 April 1800 - United States of America
15 September 1887 - St. Lawrence County, New York, United States of America
Abt. 1615 - Massachusetts, United States
Massachusetts, USA
13 September 1770 - Hartford, Hartford, Connecticut
6 January 1822 - Danbury, Fairfield, Connecticut
14 Mar 1727 - Lebanon, New London, Connecticut
14 Jan 1755 - Lebanon, Connecticut
25 Dec 1880 - Georgia
16 June 1861 - Providence, Providence County, Rhode Island, United States of America
13 February 1900 - Providence, Providence County, Rhode Island, United States of America
29 November 1903 - Georgia, United States of America
4 August 1984 - Toccoa, Stephens County, Georgia, United States of America
21 Jul 1843 - Fauquier, Virginia, USA
12 Mar 1919 - Loudoun, Virginia, USA
28 Dec 1889 - Virginia
31 Jan 1966 - Paeonian Springs, Loudoun, Virginia, USA
1863 - Warkton Northamptonshire England
Apr 1874
Payne, Burnice Bernice Richard
16 Jul 1913 - Texas
21 Sep 1968
3 Mar 1793
24 September 1831
1859 - New Albion, Cattaraugus, New York
1862
11 April 1849 - Herkimer County, New York, USA
18 June 1886 - Russia, Herkimer, New York, USA
abt 1861 - Erie County New York USA
1891 - Michigan
1989
1 August 1824 - Illinois
15 May 1909
1 May 1642
14 Jun 1917 - Texas
30 Oct 1990
abt 1913 - Colorado
1939
Abt. 1514 - Frittenden, Kent, England
5 February 1845 - Russia, Herkimer County, New York, USA
10 October 1875 - Norway, Herkimer, New York, USA
12 Aug 1798
15 Dec 1803
abt 1893
7 September 1866 - Cold Brook, Herkimer County, New York, United States of America
2 May 1946 - Troy, Rensselaer County, New York, United States of America
13 November 1839
18 April 1848
1833 - Lutterworth, Leicestershire, England
16 Feb 1919 - Leicestershire, England
1 Apr 1937 - Illinois
1 Sep 2004 – Flora
April 1844 - Whittington Staffordshire England
1773
27 August 1775 - Hartford, Connecticut
17 Nov 1786 - Somerset, Somerset, Pennsylvania, United States
18 Feb 1871 - Scott, Columbia, Wisconsin, United States
Payne, Cisero Cicro Acero Cicerto Cicero W Wayne
25 November 1901 - Texas
26 Jan 1988
22 Sep 1910 - Maryland
Jan 1973
22 November 1898
14 June 1972
1845 - New Albion, Cattaraugus, New York, USA
New Albion Cattaraugus County New York
January 1835 - Raquette River, St. Lawrence County, New York, United States of America
12 February 1920 - Raquette River, St. Lawrence County, New York, United States of America
abt 1590
Abt 1872 - Wisconsin
Payne, Cyrus Leroy Siras Le Ray
9 October 1910 - Brownstown, Jackson County, Indiana, United States of America
25 January 1986 - Seymour, Jackson County, Indiana, United States of America
13 December 1920 - Solway, Beltrami County, Minnesota, United States of America
11 June 2001 - Las Vegas, Clark County, Nevada, United States of America
25 January 1923
8 September 2005
23 Jan 1747/48 - Lebanon, Windham, Connecticut Colony, British America
29 May 1813 - Norway, Herkimer County, New York, USA
13 Feb 1789
21 Jan 1827
1792 - Longbridge Deverill, Wiltshire Unitary Authority, Wiltshire, England
April 1869 - Longbridge Deverill, Wiltshire Unitary Authority, Wiltshire, England
1853 - Michigan
22 March 1925 - Colorado, USA
3 February 1835 - Russia, Herkimer County, New York, USA
25 October 1909 - Cold Brook, Herkimer County, New York, USA
31 Oct 1960
1785 - North Carolina, United States of America
29 May 1846 - Franklin County, Georgia, United States of America
5 December 1839 - Michigan
30 January 1909
20 December 1831 - United States of America
8 February 1913 - Pompeii, Gratiot County, Michigan, United States of America
Abt. 1875
2 Nov 1803 - Greene County, New York, United States of America
10 Dec 1890 - Industry, McDonough, Illinois, United States
18 February 1895 - Rusk Cheroke, Texas
7 April 1959
abt 1869 - Virginia
Abt 1971
13 Feb 1919 - Wisconsin
12 Jun 1999 - Cleveland TX
18 Jul 1928 - Floria, illinois
2 Nov 1978 - Pasadena, Harris, Texas, USA
abt 1924 - Kansas
4 February 2011 - Topeka, Shawnee, Kansas
6 December 1618 - Suffolk Co, England
abt 1935 - Maryland
13 Dec 1923 - Hinckley, Leicestershire
Jun 1985 - Leicestershire Central, Leicestershire, England
abt 1905
4 September 1833
2 March 1914
20 December 1821 - New York, United States of America
1 December 1910 - Perrinton, Gratiot County, Michigan, United States of America
5 October 1876 - Michigan
21 Dec 1943 - Morenci, Lenawee County, Michigan, United States of America
28 February 1904
27 February 1905
10 Dec 1784
1522 - Market Bosworth, Leicestershire, England
1484
1540
abt 1516
1484 - Market Bosworth, Leicestershire, England
1510 - Leicestershire, England, United Kingdom
1540
4 Jun 1895 - Bosque CO, Texas
24 November 1947 - Grants NM
October 1834
10 September 1868
abt 1840
24 May 1818 - Hamilton, Madison County, New York, United States of America
5 March 1884 - Dayton, Montgomery County, Ohio, United States of America
8 February 1837 - Lebanon, Grafton County, New Hampshire, United States of America
28 April 1919 - Morrison, Whiteside County, Illinois, United States of America
1879 - Michigan
1952
1799
29 July 1837
15 Nov 1806
21 March 1763 - Canterbury, Windham County, Connecticut, United States of America
20 May 1808 - Lebanon, Grafton County, New Hampshire, United States of America
13 Dec 1762 - Amenia, New York
9 Jul 1843 - Hamilton, New York
9 August 1800 - New York
28 October 1883
11 November 1796
19 January 1855
Abt. 1515
1445 - Frittenden, Kent, England
1463
1626 - Midlow, Huntingdonshire, England
abt 1680
1200
1135
1171
1633 - Whetenhurst, Gloucestershire, , England
1660 - Horsley Par, Gloucestershire, , England
1639 - Of, Rappahannock, Virginia, United States
Colonial America
1487 - Frittenden, Kent, England
1511 - England
abt 1488
abt 1586
Abt. 1637
abt 1521
abt 1902
3 June 1917 - Kansas
7 Mar 2004 - Garnett, Anderson County, Kansas, United States of America
1851 - Cumden Town
1874 - Cumden Town
abt 1857 - Warminster, Wiltshire, England
1924 - Virginia
1955
1858 - Warkton Northamptonshire England
Payne, Erwin Ervin Irvine H Erle Earl W
3 Apr 1902 - Wisconsin
23 Aug 1932
abt 1817 - Warminster, Wiltshire, England
2 July 1844
12 January 1881
abt 1939 - Colorado
4 December 1878 - Habersham County, Georgia, United States of America
4 July 1901 - Habersham, Habersham County, Georgia, United States of America
1875 - Clarksville, Allegany County, New York, United States of America
14 May 1958
1792 - Virginia, United States of America
May 1850 - Fauquier County, Virginia, United States of America
1600 - Lavenham, Babergh District, Suffolk, England
August 1600 - Lavenham, Babergh District, Suffolk, England
28 Jun 1607 - Abingdon, Berkshire, England
1631 - Abingdon, Berkshire, England
Abt. 1634
1874 - Lutterworth, Leicestershire, England
Jan 1953 - Leicester, Leicestershire, England
abt 1855 - Warminster, Wiltshire, England
Sep 1890
1871 - New York
6 May 1918 - Morenci, Lenawee County, Michigan, United States of America
abt 1910 - Wolverhampton, Staffordshire
3 September 1855
15 October 1925
Payne, Fred Freddie J Frederick
Feb 1882 - Papestone Minn
1966
9 November 1874 - New York
29 December 1893 - Morenci, Lenawee County, Michigan, United States of America
Payne, Frederick George ? James ?
January 1870 - Lutterworth, Leicestershire, England
27 May 1955 - Kent, England
1898 - Kansas
1969
Abt. 1610
Abt. 1632
1653 - Rappahannock, Virginia, United States
2 May 1711 - Richmond, Wise, Virginia, United States
abt 1894 - Shrewsbury, Shropshire, England
4 December 1818 - Madison County, Illinois, United States of America
25 August 1889
1 May 1828 - New York State, USA
10 Feb 1918 - Cattaraugus, New York, USA Liberty Park Cemetery
23 Jan 1873 - Lichfield, Staffordshire, England
April 1905 - Birmingham, Warwickshire
24 January 1851 - Illinois
7 September 1931
1890 - Oxford, Oxfordshire, England
Jan 1874 - Wisconsin
23 November 1964
Jan 1866 - Oxfordshire, England
abt 1887 - Ploughley, Oxfordshire, England
abt 1584
1610 - England
17 December 1844
16 February 1848
2 Apr 1835 - Warwick
23 Jul 1918
5 January 1859 - Habersham County, Georgia, United States of America
1 May 1950 - Sulphur Springs, Hopkins County, Texas, United States of America
1876
1966
2 October 1880 - Pipestone County, Minnesota, United States of America
1933
1606 - 1667262, Huntingdonshire, England
Nov 1632 - Of, England
3 October 1911 - Texas
4 March 1981 - Ignacio, La Plata County, Colorado, United States of America
abt 1550 - Frittenden, Kent, England
10 Jan 1571 - Frittenden, Kent, England
Payne, Grace M Kathleen Catherine Katherine
1886 - Oxford, Oxfordshire, England
Abt. 1607
abt 1902
abt 1871
abt 1862 - Wisconsin
1854
1914
4 Nov 1871 - Ionia, Michigan
1925 - Lansing, Ingham, Michigan, USA
11 August 1934 - Colorado
12 February 2003
11 November 1897 - Texas
22 May 1970
19 Jan 1841 - New York
18 October 1868 - New Haven, Macomb, Michigan, USA
15 July 1863 - Linn County, Kansas, United States of America
22 January 1865 - Linn County, Kansas, United States of America
1869 - Wisconsin
1936
Payne, Harry Harrison Benton Burton
abt 1888
1958
3 June 1830 - United States
5 May 1900
18 May 1898 - Michigan
11 June 1971 - Alma, Gratiot County, Michigan, United States of America
Burnap's
Burnap, Clara Alice27 June 1887 - Fitchburg, Worcester County, Massachusetts, United States of America17 August 1891 - Fitchburg, Worcester County, Massachusetts, United States of America
Burnap, Elizabethabt 1665-
Burnap, Elizabeth13 September 1696 - Reading, Middlesex County, Massachusetts, United States of America10 May 1741 - Reading, Middlesex County, Massachusetts, United States of America
Burnap, Ellen Lucinda5 July 1879 - Fitchburg, Worcester County, Massachusetts, United States of America-
Burnap, George F25 October 1849 - Massachusetts31 December 1894 - Fitchburg, Worcester County, Massachusetts, United States of America
Burnap, George Howard21 October 1889 - Fitchburg, Worcester County, Massachusetts, United States of America12 February 1979 - Waterbury, New Haven County, Connecticut, United States of America
Burnap, HarrietAbt 1822 - Vermont-
Burnap, Harriet H1854 - Vermont30 July 1939 - Waterbury, New Haven County, Connecticut, U.S.
Burnap, Isaac31 January 1712 - Reading, Middlesex County, Massachusetts, United States of America1780 - Reading, Middlesex County, Massachusetts, United States of America
Burnap, Jacob18 August 1717 - Wakefield, Middlesex County, Massachusetts, United States of America10 December 1734 - Reading, Middlesex County, Massachusetts, United States of America
Burnap, Joseph Capt24 March 1663 - Reading, Middlesex County, Massachusetts, United States of America19 August 1744 - Reading, Middlesex County, Massachusetts, United States of America
Burnap, KateAbt 1876 - Massachusetts-
Burnap, Lois23 March 1775 - Lyndeborough, Hillsborough County, New Hampshire, United States of America1 May 1847 - Temple, Hillsborough County, New Hampshire, United States of America
Burnap, Lucinda F1814 - Ashby, Middlesex County, Massachusetts, United States of America27 September 1852 - Fitchburg, Worcester County, Massachusetts, United States of America
Burnap, Mary21 May 1643 - Reading, Middlesex County, Massachusetts, United States of America15 January 1691 - Reading, Middlesex County, Massachusetts, United States of America
Burnap, Mary Fideliaabt 1742 - Sutton, Worcester, Massachusetts, USA-
Burnap, Robert1595 - Hoddesdon, Hertfordshire, England27 Sep 1689 - Reading, Middlesex County, Massachusetts, USA
Burnap, Robert Robbart28 November 1627 - Hoddesdon, Broxbourne Borough, Hertfordshire, England18 October 1695 - Reading, Middlesex County, Massachusetts, United States
Burnap, Samuelabt 17492 January 1832
Burnap, Samuel Deacon24 Nov 1773 - Andover, Essex, Massachusetts, USA19 January 1842 - Fitchburg, Worcester County, Massachusetts
Burnap, Samuel12 October 1809 - Temple, Hillsborough County, New Hampshire, United States of America4 March 1890 - Fitchburg, Worcester County, Massachusetts, U.S.
Burnap, Sarahabt 1685 - Reading, Middlesex, Massachusetts, USA-
Burnap, Sewell Goodridge12 March 1802 - Temple, Hillsborough County, New Hampshire, United States of America16 October 1874 - Holliston, Middlesex County, Massachusetts, United States of America
Burnap, Theodore George15 December 1880 - Fitchburg, Worcester County, Massachusetts, United States of America1 December 1881 - Fitchburg, Worcester County, Massachusetts, United States of America
Burnap ? Burnett ?, Elizabeth III17 Feb 1738 - Hopkinton, Middlesex County, MA, USA27 Nov 1812 - Marlborough, Middlesex County, MA, USA
Burnap Barnet, Hannah2 March 1661 - Reading, Middlesex, Massachusetts, USA12 January 1723 - Newbury, Essex, Massachusetts, USA
Burnap Burnop, Jacob ? Johnabt 170431 August 1771 - Scotland, Windham County, Connecticut, United States of America
Chilton's
1505 - Kent, England
30 November 1549 - Kent, England
abt 1542
Chilton ? Clutton ? Gordon, Elizabeth
24 January 1777 - Essex, England
9 September 1853 - Southsea, Portsmouth Unitary Authority, Hampshire, England
Chilton Avery ? Noyce ? Winslow, Mary
1607 - England
16 May 1679 - Boston, Suffolk County, Massachusetts, United States of America
Chilton Chandler, Isabell Isabella
January 1587 - Canterbury, City of Canterbury, Kent, England
Plymouth County, Massachusetts, United States
Chilton Chelton, Lyonell Lionell ? Anthony ?
1530 - St Pauls, Canterbury, Kent, England
25 Jan 1582 - Canterbury, Kent, England
Chilton Mayflower Compact, James
1556 - Canterbury, City of Canterbury, Kent, England
18 December 1620 - Plymouth County, Massachusetts, United States of America
Chilton Winslow Sears Sayre Worden, Mary Magdalene
24 Dec 1610 - Droitwich, Worcestershire, England
26 Mar 1687 - Marshfield, Plymouth Massachusetts,
Cleaveland / Cleveland
6 March 175731 July 1766 - Gloucester, Essex County, Massachusetts, United States of America
Cleaveland, Francis Moses25 September 1797 - Canterbury, Windham County, Connecticut, United States of America5 February 1798
Cleaveland, Moses Gen29 January 1754 - Canterbury, Windham County, Connecticut, United States of America16 November 1806 - Canterbury, Windham County, Connecticut, United States
Cleaveland Cleveland, Benjaminabt 1698-
Cleaveland Cleveland, Lucyabt 1726-
Cleveland, Aaron Col27 Nov 1727 - Canterbury, Conn4 Apr 1785 - Canterbury, Conn
Cleveland, Abigail5 Aug 1759 - Canterbury-
Cleveland, Ann29 Aug 1756 - Canterbury11 Mar 1759 - C
Cleveland, Bertha Lily13 September 1872 - Stowe, Lamoille County, Vermont, United States of America23 March 1934 - Stowe, Lamoille County, Vermont, United States of America
Cleveland, Camden8 Apr 1778 - Canterbury13 Mar 1826 - Liberty O
Cleveland, Ebenezer Rev25 Dec 1725 - Canterbury, Conn4 Jul 1805 - Gloucester, Sandy Bay
Cleveland, Elizabethabt 17002 Mar 1734/5 - Norwich, New London, Connecticut, USA
Cleveland, Ichabod25 June 1695 - Southold, Suffolk County, New York, United States of America24 March 1768 - Southold, Suffolk County, New York, United States of America
Cleveland, Ichabod19 February 1739 - Southold, Suffolk County, New York, United States of America7 October 1818 - Southold, Suffolk County, New York, United States of America
Cleveland, John Rev11 Apr 1722 - Canterbury, Conn22 Apr 1799 - Ipswich, Essex, Mass
Cleveland, John28 February 1735 - Canterbury, Windham County, Connecticut, United States of America15 February 1818 - Colebrook, Coos County, New Hampshire, United States
Cleveland, John Adams Dr28 Jun 1762 - Canterbury19 Mar 1820 - Thompson, Conn
Cleveland, Joseph27 June 1728 - Southold, Suffolk County, New York, United States of America13 November 1793 - Southold, Suffolk County, New York, United States of America
Cleveland, Josiah Jr7 October 1690 - Chelmsford, Middlesex County, Massachusetts, United States of America9 February 1750 - Canterbury, Windham County, Connecticut, United States of America
Cleveland, Josiah Jr Capt4 Apr 1713 - Canterbury, Conn7 May 1793 - Canterbury, Conn
Cleveland, Julius Moses21 May 1805 - Canterbury, Windham County, Connecticut, United States of America31 Aug 1822 - Canterbury, Connecticut, USA
Cleveland, Lemuelabt 1722-
Cleveland, Lydia7 Dec 1704 - Canterbury5 June 1775 - Canterbury, Windham County, Connecticut, United States of America
Cleveland, Mary8 May 1667 - Chelmsford, Middlesex County, Massachusetts, United States of America20 July 1743 - Canterbury, Windham County, Connecticut, United States of America
Cleveland, Mary Molly3 Jul 1765 - Canterbury12 Oct 1775 - C
Cleveland, Moses Gen8 Apr 1730 - Canterbury, Conn1 Jan 1741 - C
Cleveland, Moses1 September 1651 - Woburn, Middlesex County, Massachusetts, United States of America30 October 1717 - Southold, Suffolk County, New York, United States of America
Cleveland, Paine20 Mar 1768 - Canterbury31 May 1818 - Cincinnati, O
Cleveland, Sarah Sally4 Jun 1780 - Hanover, Grafton, New Hampshire, USA15 Oct 1840 - Salem, Kenosha, Wisconsin, USA
Cleveland, SethAbt. 1725-
Cleveland, Timothy25 Aug 1702 - Canterbury, Conn19 Jan 1784 - C
Cleveland, William Pitt18 Dec 1770 - Canterbury3 Jan 1845 - New London, Conn
Cleveland Adams, Abigail3 Jun 1715 - Canterbury, Conn15 Dec 1782 - North Society, Canterbury, Conn
Cleveland Bradford, Mary29 Jun 1720 - Canterbury, Conn6 Aug 1765 - Canterbury, Conn
Cleveland Cleaveland, Aaron18 Jun 1750 - Canterbury19 Sep 1818 - Lebanon, N H
Cleveland Cleaveland, Edwardabt 1693-
Cleveland Cleaveland, Johnabt 1675-
Cleveland Morse, Elisha7 Jan 1717 - Canterbury, Conn-
Cleveland Morse, Keziah26 Nov 1711 - Canterbury, Conn4 September 1758 - Canterbury, Conn
Cleveland Paine Ensworth, Elizabeth ElisabethFebruary 1730 - Canterbury, Windham County, Connecticut, United States of America18 Jun 1788 - Fairfield, Connecticut, USA
Cleveland Pillsbury Pilsbury Cady, Lois11 Dec 1718 - Canterbury, Conn29 Sep 1736 - C
Cleveland Spalding Spaulding, Thankful29 Oct 1773 - Canterbury22 Sep 1810 - Providence, R I
Cleveland Woodward, Lydia16 Feb 1724 - C-
Lombard
The Research above will stay and will be reorganized at a later time. I will add the high DNA last surnames on my family tree as I can and work on MFP 26-51 only first name. Limited to time. It is easy to find relationship values from one person to another and connect the dots to find location one--Around NY location two--Around Kansas and location Three Around California but it is harder to see the part that the direct line to MFP has with the other names such as Wife maiden name and Wifes mother's maiden name and your mother's maiden name. This is a group effort. It could be said that if all or most dirct lines to the MFP could find the high dna surnames and had higher Autism rates we could have somewhat of a strong answer. Because the Paynes have been around since before the 1620 and had families with many ....I will find the names of others by looking at the relationship of every Payne Paine De Payen Pane and looking at Location 1,2,3 , placing surnames of ......with the direct line of the person (well not dirct line of the person but all Paynes...in my family tree. This should help either to solve the mystery or not. Probably more insights as I go along. Merry Christmas!!
Copyright yesterday so I can get the courage to continue-hard to do this alone.
Question if the direct lines of MFP have less children/no children (more racial genetic differences in people added to the US) for the sake just saying--There would be less autism???? Just a question.
Question for families of children with more severe symptoms of autism is there a number of more direct lines between the parents--higher number of direct lines to MF passengers for both parents. Direct lines are straight (could be almost straight) say your last name is Alden and you have a straight line to John Alden the MFP. In this question it is many straight lines for both parents that have a child/children with autism.
The Payne's--Working with each Payne, Paine, Pane, DePayen to find a list of relationship/relationship values for each crossovers and other surnames for detailing/finding high density of DNA MFP through time and place. I have some that I have found through first and last names of 1-25 MFP but that may change as this is detailed--to become a higher number of direct lines or almost direct lines. The higher the direct lines or almost direct lines can show a proof of Autism in theory. Theory that if you have too much of the MFP through the course of 400yrs then your probability of autism in your children would be very high. I will be also adding the 26-51 research that was not done above and this will increase the direct lines. Adding the WMN-wife/wives maiden name, MMN of the X -mothers maiden name, will be used later and will increase the lines.
Concern: I know that I do not have direct lines (they are almost direct) with my mother's side but they become direct after say 100 yrs. Clark and Rogers will be also used.
To Clarify--I start with Reno Payne born 1904-1980 my dad so the WMN is my mothers. Nd it sarts out with the Baseline of my Family Tree/DNA tree. The MMN of the X is changed because X is the fathers on my Payne side. Start will be the year 1904 all the way to the year 1100-all fathers on my Payne side.This won't take too long. Then I will start with what I have for a list (very extended list of Payns on in my family tree with also details of the acronyms-made up acronyms. Later looking for results and allowing others to possibly start looking for direct lines and getting an idea of the possibility of truth from theory. I do not know. look at this for spelling..
Reno Rawlton Payne-
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